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8 Clarence Place
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Above photos circa 1980 by Barry Smith. |
The property shows on maps of 1624 but it is not known when it first
entered the trade. It was selling liquor by 1841 and it opened at four a.m.
in 1872 and three thirty a.m. from 1874. It was one of the few pubs allowed
to continue with that concession after 1900. (But possibly five a.m. then).
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From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 15 July, 1837. Price 7d.
CORONER'S INQUEST
SUICIDE BY A STRANGER
An inquest was held yesterday at the "Rose and Crown," South Pier,
before G. T. Thompson, Esq., Coroner for Dover ad the liberties of the
Port, on the body of a man, name unknown, who committed suicide by
hanging himself in his bed-room, at the above house. He arrived there on
Tuesday, and by circumstances which transpired in evidence, it seems he
came from London, by way of Herne Bay. He had stated himself to be a
shoemaker out of work and to one of the witnesses, who had mentioned
some of the eastern parts of London to him, he said he came from the
other end of the town. He appeared about four and thirty years of age,
five feet seven inches in height; was slightly made; his hair, whiskers,
and complexion dark, and nose remarkably prominent. His dress was a
brown dress coat, with velvet collar; black trousers and a buff
waistcoat, sprigged with purple, and bound with black. The maker's name
in his hat, "Marks, 30, High Street, Bloomsbury." He had also a pair of
Wellington boots that had been vamped, the original parts marked, "La
Hogue, Boulogne." No other marks appeared on his clothing. He had no
luggage or papers. In his pockets were found seventeen shillings and
sixpence, a key, and some halfpence.
The evidence of the landlord and others, proved that the
deceased had been unwell and dispirited - that on retiring on Thursday
night, he said he should have no rest until morning when he should have
a long and comfortable sleep. The witness receiving no answer when he
knocked at the door of deceased's room yesterday morning, called in
assistance and forced the lock, when they found the unfortunate man on
his knees by the side of his bed, having his arms crossed, and as if in
the position of prayer. His head was suspended from the tester by a silk
handkerchief, which they instantly cut, and medical assistance was
obtained; but he was quite dead. The other evidence was merely
corroborative of the above, and to prove the indisposition of the
deceased, who on one occasion said to the landlady on retiring, 'what a
blessing it would be if I should never rise any more!'
Verdict, temporary insanity.
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From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 17 April, 1841. Price 5d.
DOVER POLICE COURT
William Lawrence, labourer, aged 20, charged with stealing at Dover,
40 pounds of beef, the property of Joseph Sacre, who stated that on the
evening of the 10th of January last, he missed a four quarter of beef,
which had been hanging in front of his shop. The beef was a few days
afterwards produced by a policeman, which was cut up into five pieces,
but he identified it, by some marks, as his property.
Hogben, landlord of the "Rose and Crown," stated that prisoner lodged
at his house. On the evening of the 14th January he went into prisoner's
bed-room, and under the bed found a quantity of beef, which was owned by
Mr. Sacre. There was another bed in the room, in which no person had
slept for some weeks past.
Edward George Corrall, superintendent of police, was with the last
witness when the beef was found. He went the same evening, accompanied
by Sergeant Laker, to the "Horse and Jocky," where he apprehended the
prisoner. There were several woman in the room, behind whom he was
concealed in the corner. The jury after some consultation returned a
verdict of Not Guilty. The Court being satisfied that the beef was the
property of Mr. Sacre, it was given up to him.
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From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 11 March, 1848. Price 5d.
CORONER'S INQUEST
An inquest was held on Monday, at the "Rose and Crown," Clarence
Place, before G. T. Thompson, Esq., Coroner, on the body of Samuel
Perry, aged 33, a commissioned boatman, under the command of Lieut.
Pearson, of the Coast Guard service, who died suddenly on Sunday
morning.
Joseph Howlett, commissioned boatman in Coast Guard services deposed:
On Sunday night last, I was on duty with deceased in the boat, in Dover
Harbour. About 11 o'clock, we took off Mr. Morgan to the Lion Cutter,
lying in the bay. On reaching the cutter, deceased held on a rope while
Mr. Morgan got on board, and on turning round, I saw deceased had fallen
across the gunwale of the boat. I went to him and unloosed his neckcloth,
and he appeared quite lifeless. The galley belonging to the Lion was
immediately lowered, in which deceased was placed and rowed o shore, and
I went to call Mr. Coleman. Deceased had been on this station about
three months, during which time he had never complained of illness, and
on the night in question he appeared more cheerful than usual.
Macdonald Wallis, assistant to Mr. Coleman, surgeon, deposed: About
two months since I met deceased on a Sunday afternoon at the back of the
Railway terminus, and in course of conversation, he complained to me of
certain symptoms, which induced me to think he was labouring under a
disease of the heart. I cautioned him against using any violent
exercise, saying, if he did so, he might some day die suddenly.
John Coleman, jun., surgeon, deposed: I was called on Saturday night,
about 12 o'clock, to see deceased. I opened a vein, but found life quite
extinct. From the suddenness of the death, and the peculiar froth around
the mouth, as well as the evidence of the last witness, I judge that
death arose from pulmonary apoplexy, arising from disease of the heart.
Verdict: "Died by the visitation of God."
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From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General
Advertiser, Saturday 1 June, 1850. Price 5d.
CORONER'S INQUEST
On Tuesday evening at half-past seven o'clock, an inquest was held at
the "Rose and Crown," at the pier, before G. T. Thompson, Esq., Coroner
for the Borough, on the body of George Norton, aged 37 years, one of the
men employed with the "mud barges" in over harbour, who met with his
death by falling overboard in the morning of that day. Mr. Joseph Long
was appointed foreman for the jury, and the body, which was lying at the
Boom-house, having been received, the following was taken:-
William Reffell, labourer in the employ of the Commissioners of Dover
Harbour - I knew deceased, who was employed in the same barge with me.
This morning, at about a quarter past 9 o'clock, we were in the barge
together, opposite to the Boom-house, and were in the cat of warping her
over to the other side. The warp had already been made fast, and the
deceased, with it in his hands, was walking backwards to pass the rope
over the timber head at the stern of the barge. I was standing at the
bow, and on turning round to see how he was getting on I saw him in the
act of falling overboard. I ran to his assistance, with a view of
throwing him a rope; but the only one I could get was the one he had
previously held in his hands, and that was drawn so tight by the stream
of the tide that I could not get it to reach him. I looked out for
something else, but before I could get a plank to throw to him he had
sunk. The boat which had crossed with the rope then came up, and the man
in it ran to the bow of the boat, but could not reach deceased. In about
20 minutes from the time of the accident another boat came to the spot,
and the men in it succeeded in picking up the deceased, who was then
taken to the Boom-house. I do not know what was the depth of water at
the time - I should think not about 5 or 6 feet, as a signal had just
been hoisted for a steamer to enter. Deceased did not attempt to swim.
John Martin, mariner - On hearing the cry this morning that a man was
overboard, I ran for the Humane Society's drag, which with myself and
two other sailors entered a boat near the Boom-house, and forthwith cast
out the drag, but at the first haul found nothing. We then dragged at
the spot where the man had sunk, and brought him up. Deceased was soon
landed, and taken to the Boom-house. From the time that I heard the
alarm till deceased was picked up I should think 25 minutes had elapsed.
I judged there was about 5½ feet of water in
the harbour at the time. There was a strong tide running.
William Johnson, working in the harbour - I assisted in carrying the
deceased this morning to the Boom-house, and was present during the
whole time the usual means of restoration were going on. Two medical men
were in attendance - Mr. Coleman's assistant, and a physician staying at
the "King's head Hotel." The attempts to re-animate deceased commenced
at about 10 o'clock, and were continued till about a quarter past one,
but without success.
This forming the whole of the evidence, the Coroner summed up, and
the jury returned a verdict of "Accidentally Drowned," and suggested
that a recommendation be forwarded to the harbour master for providing
an additional rope to the barges, for services in any cases of accident
that might again occur.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer,
25 January, 1867.
THE REMANDED CHARGE OF BURGLARY
James Hickey and George Wilson, the men remanded from Saturday, on a
charge of burglariously entering the shop of Mr. Moody, St. James's
Lane, were again placed at the bar, the police being prepared with
further evidence, and also with evidence to rebut the prisoners'
statement, that they were drinking all the night of the robbery at the
"Rose and Crown."
James Horn: I live at Prospect Place Cottages, and am a mariner. I
was at the "Rose and Crown" last Friday morning, between five and
half-past five o'clock. The soldier and other prisoner were there
together; and the soldier offered me a pair of boots for sale. The pair
of boots produced are the same. I left the "Rose and Crown," but shortly
afterwards came in again, and the other prisoners then had the boots i
his hand, offering them for sale to a navvy who was going snow digging
and who was tipsy. Wilson asked 1s. 6d. for the boots, or 2s. 6d. for
two pairs - this, and a pair of bluchers.
The witness, in cross-examination by the prisoner Hickey spoke
positively as to his identity.
Emily Goodbun: I am daughter of the landlord of the "Rose and Crown."
The two prisoners came into my father's house at half-past three o'clock
on Friday morning. I had not seen them before during the night. They
went into the front room, and I did not see them again.
The prisoner, who repeated that they were innocent of the robbery,
were committed for trial at the next Maidstone Assizes.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer,
25 January, 1867.
DASTARDLY ASSAULT
Ambrose Poynter, a fly-driver, was charged with assaulting and
threatening Mr. Charles Goodbun, the landlord of the "Rose and Crown
Inn," Clarence Place.
The complainant said he was in the habit of keeping his house open
at night for the accommodation of the travelling public; and the
defendant had repeatedly come in, very early in the morning, and, after
refreshing himself with half a pint of beer, had gone to sleep in the
taproom. The defendant, however, was at times very quarrelsome, and
would then use disgusting language and indulge in violent threats. The
same morning he came into the house, and after threatening what he would
do, he kicked witness in a most unmanly way and dastardly manner.
He was still suffering great pain from the injury the prisoner
inflicted, and he went in bodily fear of him.
The prisoner flatly denied that he had indulged in the threats
referred to, or that he had committed the assault; but the Magistrates
did not believe him, and fined him 40s. and the costs for the assault,
or one month's imprisonment.
The prisoner said he must go to prison; and he was then informed
that, when the term of his imprisonment had expired, he would be called
upon to find sureties to keep the peace towards Mr. Goodbun for the
space of six months.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 2 April, 1859.
DRUNK AND DISORDERLY
Stephen Gilham, a powerful labourer, was being charged with being
drunk and disorderly early the same morning, and with assaulting Sarah
Ann Cheney, under the following circumstances.
Sarah Ann Cheney said - My husband is the landlord of the "Rose and
Crown," in Clarence Place, and this morning between three and four, the
defendant and a friend came to my house and asked for some beer, and
then for some coffee. I served him and his friend with a quart of beer,
for which they paid. He afterwards asked for some coffee, and I sent him
a cup, charging him 1½d. for it, when he
refused to pay but a penny. I then sent my servant to fetch the coffee
back, when he struck me with his fist, at the same time using very bad
language, and, therefore gave him in charge.
William Richardson, in the employ of Mr. Churelward, said he lodged
at the house of the complainant. He heard the defendant abuse the
complainant, and on his interfering, the defendant abused him too. After
the defendant had left the house, he saw the complainant put her hand up
to prevent him coming back again. He saw the defendant strike Mrs.
Chorley twice; but the third time he interfered, or the complainant
would have suffered much worse.
Defendant said the complainant assaulted him first by pushing him out
of the chair in the coffee house when he was asleep, and by afterwards
striking him.
The Magistrates said, that as the defendant had several times
previously appeared before them, they should fine him 10s., and 7s.
costs; or commit him to gaol for a fortnight, with hard labour.
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By 1909 the front of the building was in danger of collapse and a
re-frontage operation was performed. It proved to be a temporary solution
because ten years later, other plans called for the practical rebuilding of
the whole. From all accounts that was quite an achievement. Its neighbour,
"The Cinque Ports Arms" was of a like age and was in danger of collapse
whilst the work proceeded. The exercise apparently called for perfect timing
and execution.
Further plans for alterations were approved in 1928 but I have no
details.
It wasn't until 1950 that the licence was transferred to "full" allowing
the sale of beers and spirits.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 21
March, 1952.
Punches Follow Pints
Two men who were said to have exchanged blows after first exchanging
words outside the "Rose and Crown" were advised to keep away from each
other in the future when they appeared before Dover Magistrates on
Monday on assault charges.
Bernard William Dillon, of 15, Seven Star Street Flats, denied a
change of assaulting Cecil Edward Dalton, of 4, Last Lane, who, in his
turn, denied assaulting Dillon.
After hearing evidence of a scene outside the public house
where each man was said to have struck the other, the Chairman (Mr. D.
Bradley) said the bench had decided to dismiss the summons in each case.
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As a matter of interest, and still present as I retype in 1989, but now
only a blind alley, is the passage alongside the pub which once led to
Middle Row in the old pier district.
This was damaged by enemy action early in world war two but was repaired
and made operational again by January 1941. That was a rare distinction
indeed and certainly the only case in the town that I know of.
A past outlet of Rigden and Company, Faversham, which passed to the
Whitbread group. It closed in 1986 and remained boarded up and derelict to
1988 when it was renovated and integrated with the "Cinque Ports Arms".
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From an email received 25 September 2010
Thomas Cheney was Sarah Ann's first husband. In 1851 Census Thomas and Sarah
Cheney lived in Sussex. Thomas's occupation was a coachman. In the 1861
Census Thomas Cheney was the Victualler in Clarence Place, Dover. Sarah
Ann Cheney was there too.
In 1861 Thomas Cheney died. (Death record - Thomas Cheney, Quarter
October November December, 1861, Dover, Volume 2a, page 439.
Sarah Ann Cheney married William Henry Johnson in Dover in 1870. (Their
marriage record - Sarah Ann Cheney, William Henry Johnson, Quarter
October, November, December, Year 1870, Registered Dover, Volume 2a,
page 1431).
Regards,
Julie Smith.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer,
10 February, 1871. Price 1d.
TRANSFER OF LICENSE
Mrs. Chaney, the landlady of the "Rose and Crown," having recently
re-married, applied for transfer of license to her husband, Mr. Johnson,
and the application was granted.
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LICENSEE LIST
HOGBEN W 1841-47
(Hogbens)
HOGBEN Mrs Susan 1848-50
BURROWS Henry 1854
CHENEY Thomas 1859-61 dec'd
CHENEY Miss Sarah Ann 1861-Feb/71
JOHNSON William Feb/1871-Feb/78

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wife ne CHENEY Sarah Ann)
GOODBUN Charles 1863-67+ ?
HENNESSEY J 1874?
GOODBUN Mrs Elizabeth 1874-82+
 
CONNOR Edward 1885-1903
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Out of date info?)
KEMP Sidney John 1899?-1916 dec'd
  
KEMP Mrs 1916-17 end
WRIGHT Thomas 1917-22+

PEARSON Charles Vaschell 1923-26 end

MIELL George Frederick 1926-28 end
BALSOM John 1928-32+ ( BATSOM)
HARRIS James K W T 1937 end
MARTIN W 1937-38 end and 1941
SMITH Joseph 1938-50+
   
COOPER William Frederick H 1952-53+

TERRY Albert W 1956-66
STEVENS L late 1960's
GILHAM Ronald G 1972-84 end
Whitbread Fremlins
From Wingham Division Ale Licences 1740 Ref: KAO - QRLV 3/1
From Bagshaw Directory 1847
From the Post Office Directory 1874
From the Post Office Directory 1882
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1895
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From the Post Office Directory 1903
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909
From the Post Office Directory 1913
From the Post Office Directory 1922
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924
From the Post Office Directory 1930
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33
From the Post Office Directory 1938
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49
From the Kelly's Directory 1950
From the Kelly's Directory 1953
Library archives 1974
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