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Earliest 1843-

Rose and Crown

Latest 1986

8 Clarence Place

Rose and Crown Pier District circa 1980
Rose and Crown Pier District

Above photos circa 1980 by Barry Smith.

 

The property shows on maps of 1624 but it is not known when it first entered the trade. It was selling liquor by 1841 and it opened at four a.m. in 1872 and three thirty a.m. from 1874. It was one of the few pubs allowed to continue with that concession after 1900. (But possibly five a.m. then).

 

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday 15 July, 1837. Price 7d.

CORONER'S INQUEST

SUICIDE BY A STRANGER

An inquest was held yesterday at the "Rose and Crown," South Pier, before G. T. Thompson, Esq., Coroner for Dover ad the liberties of the Port, on the body of a man, name unknown, who committed suicide by hanging himself in his bed-room, at the above house. He arrived there on Tuesday, and by circumstances which transpired in evidence, it seems he came from London, by way of Herne Bay. He had stated himself to be a shoemaker out of work and to one of the witnesses, who had mentioned some of the eastern parts of London to him, he said he came from the other end of the town. He appeared about four and thirty years of age, five feet seven inches in height; was slightly made; his hair, whiskers, and complexion dark, and nose remarkably prominent. His dress was a brown dress coat, with velvet collar; black trousers and a buff waistcoat, sprigged with purple, and bound with black. The maker's name in his hat, "Marks, 30, High Street, Bloomsbury." He had also a pair of Wellington boots that had been vamped, the original parts marked, "La Hogue, Boulogne." No other marks appeared on his clothing. He had no luggage or papers. In his pockets were found seventeen shillings and sixpence, a key, and some halfpence.

 The evidence of the landlord and others, proved that the deceased had been unwell and dispirited - that on retiring on Thursday night, he said he should have no rest until morning when he should have a long and comfortable sleep. The witness receiving no answer when he knocked at the door of deceased's room yesterday morning, called in assistance and forced the lock, when they found the unfortunate man on his knees by the side of his bed, having his arms crossed, and as if in the position of prayer. His head was suspended from the tester by a silk handkerchief, which they instantly cut, and medical assistance was obtained; but he was quite dead. The other evidence was merely corroborative of the above, and to prove the indisposition of the deceased, who on one occasion said to the landlady on retiring, 'what a blessing it would be if I should never rise any more!'

Verdict, temporary insanity.

 

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday 17 April, 1841. Price 5d.

DOVER POLICE COURT

William Lawrence, labourer, aged 20, charged with stealing at Dover, 40 pounds of beef, the property of Joseph Sacre, who stated that on the evening of the 10th of January last, he missed a four quarter of beef, which had been hanging in front of his shop. The beef was a few days afterwards produced by a policeman, which was cut up into five pieces, but he identified it, by some marks, as his property.

Hogben, landlord of the "Rose and Crown," stated that prisoner lodged at his house. On the evening of the 14th January he went into prisoner's bed-room, and under the bed found a quantity of beef, which was owned by Mr. Sacre. There was another bed in the room, in which no person had slept for some weeks past.

Edward George Corrall, superintendent of police, was with the last witness when the beef was found. He went the same evening, accompanied by Sergeant Laker, to the "Horse and Jocky," where he apprehended the prisoner. There were several woman in the room, behind whom he was concealed in the corner. The jury after some consultation returned a verdict of Not Guilty. The Court being satisfied that the beef was the property of Mr. Sacre, it was given up to him.

 

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday 11 March, 1848. Price 5d.

CORONER'S INQUEST

An inquest was held on Monday, at the "Rose and Crown," Clarence Place, before G. T. Thompson, Esq., Coroner, on the body of Samuel Perry, aged 33, a commissioned boatman, under the command of Lieut. Pearson, of the Coast Guard service, who died suddenly on Sunday morning.

Joseph Howlett, commissioned boatman in Coast Guard services deposed: On Sunday night last, I was on duty with deceased in the boat, in Dover Harbour. About 11 o'clock, we took off Mr. Morgan to the Lion Cutter, lying in the bay. On reaching the cutter, deceased held on a rope while Mr. Morgan got on board, and on turning round, I saw deceased had fallen across the gunwale of the boat. I went to him and unloosed his neckcloth, and he appeared quite lifeless. The galley belonging to the Lion was immediately lowered, in which deceased was placed and rowed o shore, and I went to call Mr. Coleman. Deceased had been on this station about three months, during which time he had never complained of illness, and on the night in question he appeared more cheerful than usual.

Macdonald Wallis, assistant to Mr. Coleman, surgeon, deposed: About two months since I met deceased on a Sunday afternoon at the back of the Railway terminus, and in course of conversation, he complained to me of certain symptoms, which induced me to think he was labouring under a disease of the heart. I cautioned him against using any violent exercise, saying, if he did so, he might some day die suddenly.

John Coleman, jun., surgeon, deposed: I was called on Saturday night, about 12 o'clock, to see deceased. I opened a vein, but found life quite extinct. From the suddenness of the death, and the peculiar froth around the mouth, as well as the evidence of the last witness, I judge that death arose from pulmonary apoplexy, arising from disease of the heart.

Verdict: "Died by the visitation of God."

 

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday 1 June, 1850. Price 5d.

CORONER'S INQUEST

On Tuesday evening at half-past seven o'clock, an inquest was held at the "Rose and Crown," at the pier, before G. T. Thompson, Esq., Coroner for the Borough, on the body of George Norton, aged 37 years, one of the men employed with the "mud barges" in over harbour, who met with his death by falling overboard in the morning of that day. Mr. Joseph Long was appointed foreman for the jury, and the body, which was lying at the Boom-house, having been received, the following was taken:-

William Reffell, labourer in the employ of the Commissioners of Dover Harbour - I knew deceased, who was employed in the same barge with me. This morning, at about a quarter past 9 o'clock, we were in the barge together, opposite to the Boom-house, and were in the cat of warping her over to the other side. The warp had already been made fast, and the deceased, with it in his hands, was walking backwards to pass the rope over the timber head at the stern of the barge. I was standing at the bow, and on turning round to see how he was getting on I saw him in the act of falling overboard. I ran to his assistance, with a view of throwing him a rope; but the only one I could get was the one he had previously held in his hands, and that was drawn so tight by the stream of the tide that I could not get it to reach him. I looked out for something else, but before I could get a plank to throw to him he had sunk. The boat which had crossed with the rope then came up, and the man in it ran to the bow of the boat, but could not reach deceased. In about 20 minutes from the time of the accident another boat came to the spot, and the men in it succeeded in picking up the deceased, who was then taken to the Boom-house. I do not know what was the depth of water at the time - I should think not about 5 or 6 feet, as a signal had just been hoisted for a steamer to enter. Deceased did not attempt to swim.

John Martin, mariner - On hearing the cry this morning that a man was overboard, I ran for the Humane Society's drag, which with myself and two other sailors entered a boat near the Boom-house, and forthwith cast out the drag, but at the first haul found nothing. We then dragged at the spot where the man had sunk, and brought him up. Deceased was soon landed, and taken to the Boom-house. From the time that I heard the alarm till deceased was picked up I should think 25 minutes had elapsed. I judged there was about 5½ feet of water in the harbour at the time. There was a strong tide running.

William Johnson, working in the harbour - I assisted in carrying the deceased this morning to the Boom-house, and was present during the whole time the usual means of restoration were going on. Two medical men were in attendance - Mr. Coleman's assistant, and a physician staying at the "King's head Hotel." The attempts to re-animate deceased commenced at about 10 o'clock, and were continued till about a quarter past one, but without success.

This forming the whole of the evidence, the Coroner summed up, and the jury returned a verdict of "Accidentally Drowned," and suggested that a recommendation be forwarded to the harbour master for providing an additional rope to the barges, for services in any cases of accident that might again occur.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 25 January, 1867.

THE REMANDED CHARGE OF BURGLARY

James Hickey and George Wilson, the men remanded from Saturday, on a charge of burglariously entering the shop of Mr. Moody, St. James's Lane, were again placed at the bar, the police being prepared with further evidence, and also with evidence to rebut the prisoners' statement, that they were drinking all the night of the robbery at the "Rose and Crown."

James Horn: I live at Prospect Place Cottages, and am a mariner. I was at the "Rose and Crown" last Friday morning, between five and half-past five o'clock. The soldier and other prisoner were there together; and the soldier offered me a pair of boots for sale. The pair of boots produced are the same. I left the "Rose and Crown," but shortly afterwards came in again, and the other prisoners then had the boots i his hand, offering them for sale to a navvy who was going snow digging and who was tipsy. Wilson asked 1s. 6d. for the boots, or 2s. 6d. for two pairs - this, and a pair of bluchers.

The witness, in cross-examination by the prisoner Hickey spoke positively as to his identity.

Emily Goodbun: I am daughter of the landlord of the "Rose and Crown." The two prisoners came into my father's house at half-past three o'clock on Friday morning. I had not seen them before during the night. They went into the front room, and I did not see them again.

The prisoner, who repeated that they were innocent of the robbery, were committed for trial at the next Maidstone Assizes.

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 25 January, 1867.

DASTARDLY ASSAULT

Ambrose Poynter, a fly-driver, was charged with assaulting and threatening Mr. Charles Goodbun, the landlord of the "Rose and Crown Inn," Clarence Place.

The complainant said he was in the habit of keeping his house open at night for the accommodation of the travelling public; and the defendant had repeatedly come in, very early in the morning, and, after refreshing himself with half a pint of beer, had gone to sleep in the taproom. The defendant, however, was at times very quarrelsome, and would then use disgusting language and indulge in violent threats. The same morning he came into the house, and after threatening what he would do, he kicked witness in a most unmanly way and dastardly manner.

He was still suffering great pain from the injury the prisoner inflicted, and he went in bodily fear of him.

The prisoner flatly denied that he had indulged in the threats referred to, or that he had committed the assault; but the Magistrates did not believe him, and fined him 40s. and the costs for the assault, or one month's imprisonment.

The prisoner said he must go to prison; and he was then informed that, when the term of his imprisonment had expired, he would be called upon to find sureties to keep the peace towards Mr. Goodbun for the space of six months.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 2 April, 1859.

DRUNK AND DISORDERLY

Stephen Gilham, a powerful labourer, was being charged with being drunk and disorderly early the same morning, and with assaulting Sarah Ann Cheney, under the following circumstances.

Sarah Ann Cheney said - My husband is the landlord of the "Rose and Crown," in Clarence Place, and this morning between three and four, the defendant and a friend came to my house and asked for some beer, and then for some coffee. I served him and his friend with a quart of beer, for which they paid. He afterwards asked for some coffee, and I sent him a cup, charging him 1½d. for it, when he refused to pay but a penny. I then sent my servant to fetch the coffee back, when he struck me with his fist, at the same time using very bad language, and, therefore gave him in charge.

William Richardson, in the employ of Mr. Churelward, said he lodged at the house of the complainant. He heard the defendant abuse the complainant, and on his interfering, the defendant abused him too. After the defendant had left the house, he saw the complainant put her hand up to prevent him coming back again. He saw the defendant strike Mrs. Chorley twice; but the third time he interfered, or the complainant would have suffered much worse.

Defendant said the complainant assaulted him first by pushing him out of the chair in the coffee house when he was asleep, and by afterwards striking him.

The Magistrates said, that as the defendant had several times previously appeared before them, they should fine him 10s., and 7s. costs; or commit him to gaol for a fortnight, with hard labour.

 

 

By 1909 the front of the building was in danger of collapse and a re-frontage operation was performed. It proved to be a temporary solution because ten years later, other plans called for the practical rebuilding of the whole. From all accounts that was quite an achievement. Its neighbour, "The Cinque Ports Arms" was of a like age and was in danger of collapse whilst the work proceeded. The exercise apparently called for perfect timing and execution.

 

Further plans for alterations were approved in 1928 but I have no details.

 

It wasn't until 1950 that the licence was transferred to "full" allowing the sale of beers and spirits.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 21 March, 1952.

Punches Follow Pints

Two men who were said to have exchanged blows after first exchanging words outside the "Rose and Crown" were advised to keep away from each other in the future when they appeared before Dover Magistrates on Monday on assault charges.

Bernard William Dillon, of 15, Seven Star Street Flats, denied a change of assaulting Cecil Edward Dalton, of 4, Last Lane, who, in his turn, denied assaulting Dillon.

After hearing evidence of a scene outside the public house  where each man was said to have struck the other, the Chairman (Mr. D. Bradley) said the bench had decided to dismiss the summons in each case.

 

 

As a matter of interest, and still present as I retype in 1989, but now only a blind alley, is the passage alongside the pub which once led to Middle Row in the old pier district.

 

This was damaged by enemy action early in world war two but was repaired and made operational again by January 1941. That was a rare distinction indeed and certainly the only case in the town that I know of.

 

A past outlet of Rigden and Company, Faversham, which passed to the Whitbread group. It closed in 1986 and remained boarded up and derelict to 1988 when it was renovated and integrated with the "Cinque Ports Arms".

 

From an email received 25 September 2010

Thomas Cheney was Sarah Ann's first husband. In 1851 Census Thomas and Sarah Cheney lived in Sussex. Thomas's occupation was a coachman. In the 1861 Census Thomas Cheney was the Victualler in Clarence Place, Dover. Sarah Ann Cheney was there too.

In 1861 Thomas Cheney died. (Death record - Thomas Cheney, Quarter October November December, 1861, Dover, Volume 2a, page 439.

Sarah Ann Cheney married William Henry Johnson in Dover in 1870. (Their marriage record - Sarah Ann Cheney, William Henry Johnson, Quarter October, November, December, Year 1870, Registered Dover, Volume 2a, page 1431).

Regards,

Julie Smith.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 10 February, 1871. Price 1d.

TRANSFER OF LICENSE

Mrs. Chaney, the landlady of the "Rose and Crown," having recently re-married, applied for transfer of license to her husband, Mr. Johnson, and the application was granted.

 

 

LICENSEE LIST

HOGBEN W 1841-47 Bagshaw's Directory 1847(Hogbens)

HOGBEN Mrs Susan 1848-50

BURROWS Henry 1854

CHENEY Thomas 1859-61 dec'd

CHENEY Miss Sarah Ann 1861-Feb/71

JOHNSON William Feb/1871-Feb/78 Next pub licensee had Post Office Directory 1874Kelly's 1874 (Last pub licensee had wife ne CHENEY Sarah Ann)

GOODBUN Charles 1863-67+ ?

HENNESSEY J 1874?

GOODBUN Mrs Elizabeth 1874-82+ Post Office Directory 1874Post Office Directory 1882

CONNOR Edward 1885-1903 Pikes 1895Kelly's Directory 1899(Post Office Directory 1903 Out of date info?)

KEMP Sidney John 1899?-1916 dec'd Post Office Directory 1903Pikes 1909Post Office Directory 1913

KEMP Mrs 1916-17 end

WRIGHT Thomas 1917-22+ Post Office Directory 1922

PEARSON Charles Vaschell 1923-26 end Pikes 1924

MIELL George Frederick 1926-28 end

Last pub licensee had BALSOM John 1928-32+ (Post Office Directory 1930BATSOM)Pikes 1932-33

HARRIS James K W T 1937 end

MARTIN W 1937-38 end and 1941

SMITH Joseph 1938-50+ Post Office Directory 1938Pikes 1938-39Pikes 48-49Kelly's Directory 1950

COOPER William Frederick H 1952-53+ Next pub licensee had Kelly's Directory 1953

TERRY Albert W 1956-66

STEVENS L late 1960's

GILHAM Ronald G 1972-84 end Next pub licensee had Library archives 1974 Whitbread Fremlins

 

Wingham Ale Licences 1740From Wingham Division Ale Licences 1740 Ref: KAO - QRLV 3/1

Bagshaw's Directory 1847From Bagshaw Directory 1847

Post Office Directory 1874From the Post Office Directory 1874

Post Office Directory 1882From the Post Office Directory 1882

Pikes 1895From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1895

Kelly's Directory 1899From the Kelly's Directory 1899

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1901

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1903

Pikes 1909From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909

Post Office Directory 1913From the Post Office Directory 1913

Post Office Directory 1922From the Post Office Directory 1922

Pikes 1924From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924

Post Office Directory 1930From the Post Office Directory 1930

Pikes 1932-33From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33

Post Office Directory 1938From the Post Office Directory 1938

Pikes 1938-39From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39

Pikes 48-49From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49

Kelly's Directory 1950From the Kelly's Directory 1950

Kelly's Directory 1953From the Kelly's Directory 1953

Library archives 1974Library archives 1974

 

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