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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1882

Deal Hoy

Open 2019+

16 Duke Street

Deal

01304 363972

https://www.dealhoykent.co.uk/

https://www.whatpub.com/deal-hoy

Deal Hoy in Deal Deal Hoy in Deal

The left of the premises can be seen another door which used to be the Bottle and Jug, but this ceased to function for that purpose in the 1970s.

Deal Hoy Sign

All coloured photos above by Paul Skelton, 2 March 2008.

Black and white sign thanks to Deal library, 1992.

Deal Hoy sign 1991Deal Hoy sign 1993

Deal Hoy sign left, August 1991, right, July 1993.

Above with thanks from Brian Curtis www.innsignsociety.com

Deal Hoy sign 2010

Above sign 2010.

Deal Hoy, 1960

Above photo taken in 1960 and kindly sent by Terry Wheeler of the Ramsgate Historical Society.

 

Duke Street can be traced back to as early as 1811 and was built on the gardens of Duke Hayman and Basden, purchased around 1798. The road being used since 1803 and already containing several buildings, one of which was the assembly hall which goes back to 1723, unfortunately being demolished in the 1960s.

An 1804 map showed Samuel Ffasham Roby owning part of the road and he was also brewer in Lower Street (now High Street).

J Hayman is the first landlord of this beer-house mentioned under the name of "Deal Hoy" in 1836 and was there till at least 1863 when he was sentenced to 14 days'  with hard labour for concealing a soldier for an unlawful purpose. he would have been 81 then. The premised finally gained a full license during his time in 1848.

In 1866, two years after new licensee, Charles Robert French, took the reign in 1864, a fire broke out presumably originating by some tobacco ashes having been dropped ion the skittle alley, and the building being built from wood was soon alight, however the building (skittle alley) was doused and under control before too much damage was done.

The ordinance Survey maps of the early 1870s showed that the pub was also part of the property next door and occupied by the family of the first landlord Hayman. It is now a private residence called Duke House.

Several different brewers have supplied the "Deal Hoy" over the years. Tomson and Wotton in 1868, "Gillow and Wareham", brewers of Sandwich in 1871, Wareham and Baxter & Stapleton also of Sandwich in 1883. 1924 the brewery supplying the "Deal Hoy" was Gardener's, and they were still delivering beer till at least 1974. Shepherd Neame supplied the beer in the new 21st century.

John Edward Devereux, having taken over from George Norris in 1903 was charged with stealing two galloons of whisky in November 1905 and George Norris returned as licensee shortly after being convicted.

The pub closed for a short time in 1941 when a protection order was granted  in favour of Roger Jones of Gardener's Ales and reopened again on the 21 April 1944 when he was again licensee.

Licensee in 2010, Gill Hawkes, was a relation of original landlord John Hayman.

 

From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury, 21 July, 1900. 1d.

THEFT OF AN OVERCOAT

John Murphy, of no fixed abode, was charged with feloniously stealing an overcoat, value 10s., the property of Frederick William Coleman, at Deal, on the 13th July.

Prosecutor deposed that about half-past 5 the previous evening prisoner and another man came into his house, the Deal Hoy, and asked for two pints of beer. As they were sober and quiet he served them, and they went into the tap-room to drink it. About 10 minutes afterwards he saw prisoner leaving his house, wearing his (witness') overcoat (produced), which he had hung up in the room a short time previously, and which he valued at 10s. He said to one of his customers "There goes a man wearing my coat," and rushed around the bar after the prisoner, and caught him opposite St. Andrew's Church, still wearing the coat. he took the coat off and sent for the police.

Asked if he had any questions to put to prosecutor prisoner said "No. I had been drinking all day, and don't know much about it."

Prosecutor: You were perfectly sober when you came into my house.

Alfred Whiddett, labourer, living at Deal, said that about a quarter to 6 the previous evening his attention was called, by the landlord of the "Deal Hoy," to the fact that the prisoner was wearing his (the landlord's) coat, and he was asked to assist in getting it back. He then ran out of the house, and saw prisoner pulling the coat off. He attempted to get away, but witness held him and prevented him from doing so. he asked him what he meant by taking his coat, and he replied that he was very sorry, and that he was drunk, but he did not appear to be so. He asked witness to give him one more chance. Witness handed him over to the prosecutor, who said that he should lock him up.

Police-sergt. Curtis deposed that at 6.30 p.m. on Friday evening he was on duty at the police station, when he was called into High Street, and prisoner was pointed out to him as being wanted for stealing an overcoat from the "Deal Hoy." he overtook the prisoner at the "Rose Hotel," and brought him to the station. he then sent for Mr. Coleman, who gave prisoner into custody. He charged him, cautioning him in the usual way, and he replied, "I have been drinking, and I hope you won't be hard on me."

In reply to Inspector Ellender, witness said that prisoner was sober.

After being charged prisoner said he would plead guilty, adding "I suppose the coat was found on me. I have been coming to Deal for the past 14 or 15 summers, and such a thing has never come to me before."

The Inspector, in answer to Capt. Mourilyan, said that prisoner was a stranger here.

Prisoner was sentenced to 28 days' hard labour.

 

From the Dover Express, Friday 11 January, 1935.

The body of a man with an artificial leg, afterwards identified as that of Mr. J Norris, licensee of the "Deal Hoy" public-house, Deal, was found in the Thames off Rotherhithe on Monday. Mr. Norris who has been missing from Deal since December 19th, was secretary and treasurer of the Christmas Club at the public-house.

 

From the Deal and Sandwich Express,28 October, 2010. 60p.

PUB EXHIBITION

AN ARTIST GEARING UP FOR DISPLAY AT TOWN PUB

Report by Yamurai Zendera

A DEAL-based artist is gearing up to exhibit her work in the town.

Maria Carleton is putting together the final touches to her "An Eclectic Collection exhibition," set to run at the "Deal Hoy" pub in Duke Street, from November 1 to December 6.

The mother-of-one said she will host a "meet the artist" event at the venue the day before the exhibition is due to begin. It will start at 6.30pm and she will answer questions people have about her work.

Maria's exhibition will display a body of original prints and paintings created since 2002.

Maria CarletonMaria Carleton

The 46-year-old said: "The work is like a narrative through history. It ranges from a limited edition of etched flags such as that of St. George, inspired by, the First Crusade of 1096 to 1098, to courtesans of the Baroque era with their hair piled high mirroring the fashion favoured by popstars such as Mary Wilson and Amy Winehouse and yesteryear's jazz singers."

Maria has been an artist since the 1980s. She graduated with a fine art degree from West Surrey College of Art and Design, after which she won a printmaking scholarship at UCLA in California. She later studied for a master's degree.

She is a member of South East Artists Open Studios - a group of artists and craft-makers from Deal and surrounding areas, aiming to promote the visual arts and crafts in the local community.

For three years from 2000 she was an art teacher but gave up work to raise her newborn son Rufus.

 

From the Dover Mercury, 26 May, 2011. 70p

BLUES, FOLK, COUNTRY AND SKIFFLE

Group, Dover Patrol

Above: Dover Patrol Steve Carey, Steve Bell and Mike Morgan who are performing in Deal on Bank Holiday Monday.

THERE will be foot-tapping rock 'n roll, skiffle blues, folk and gospel music at the "Deal Hoy" on Bank Holiday Monday.

The entertainment starts at 1pm and will be performed by guitar and vocal trio Dover Patrol, alias guitarist Steve Carey, stick bass player and harmony singer Steve Bell and lead guitarist Mike Morgan, who all live in the Deal area.

Steve Carey used to be bass player with progressive rock band Pete Brown & Piblokto! and later with country outlaw band Blue Train.

Steve Bell has been playing guitar, blues harp and bass since school and has accompanied many bands. Accomplished mandolin and piano player Mike started as a church organist at the age of 13 and later played with bands such as Archer and The Fabulous Poodles and with the late, celebrated Cornish folk singer, Brenda Wootton.

 

From the Dover Mercury, 21 July, 2011. 70p

PUB FUN DAY RAISES 2.8k

Simon GregoryCarol Stickler

CHAMPAGNE and hats fit for Ascot helped a Deal pub celebrate 100 years of Macmillan Cancer Support.

Georqia Bishop organised the day at the "Deal Hoy," Duke Street, which also included an auction of sealed bids.

She said: "The Rev Pilk later discovered to be Simon Gregory, (left) opened the event with an extremely lively and topical speech.

"I cannot name everybody who so willingly gave their time, expertise and finances, as it would take over most of letters on page two of the Mercury!

"So a very enormous thank you to all. It was a great and varied afternoon and evening, thoroughly enjoyed by everybody."

The event raised 2,800.

 

From the Dover Mercury, 15 December, 2011. 70p

DEAL HOY PUB TO OFFER LOCAL MUSIC AND FOOD

Advertising feature

Ian and Sharon GoodbanDeal Hoy 2011

AHOY there! There are new faces at the helm or popular community pub "Deal Hoy" in Duke Street.

Ian and Sharon Goodban will be taking over on Tuesday, December 20, and are bringing with them lots of ideas to enhance the hostelry's reputation, ensuring it has plenty to offer.

Running a pub has been a lifelong ambition for Deal born and bred Ian and he is thrilled to be taking on his own local. They will maintain the Hoy's reputation as a music venue although music will stop on a Sunday in favour of a more traditional ambience, with complimentary bar snacks and a raffle.

Music lovers be reassured, there will be some great sounds reverberating around live folk, jazz, blues and soul.

Kicking off on Wednesday, December 21, will be Deal-based Carl, Konrad and Joe with their eclectic gipsy/folk sounds.

On Wednesday, December 28, there will be blues and soul classics on acoustic guitar and saxophone from Cameron Stenhouse and Doug.

After Christmas, the Goodbans will be introducing food, serving simple favourites, using local ingredients.

Ian said "We love it here and the "Hoy" is a good local pub with a really nice feeling and atmosphere. We want to build on that and nurture it as a place where all types can come for a drink and a chat, We hope to encourage people in and keep them entertained.

"We want to make the pub female-friendly and look after ladies who come in. We also want to encourage local groups and societies. The pub is known for its monthly artists' spot and that is going to continue."

They are looking to introduce a photographic competition in the summer where pub users will vote for their favourite image.

A more unusual event in the pipeline is a sprat eating competition. "North enders were traditionally known as 'sprat gobblers'." said Ian.

The pub dates from 1850 and is named after a small sailing vessel which once transported goods between London and the Kent coast.

Ian has travelled around the world, served in the Royal Navy as a weapons engineer and photographer, and worked as on offshore surveyor.

He has more recently been teaching physics at Walmer Science College and Dover Boys Grammar School.

As a hobby, he is a keen diver. The son of retired Deal fisherman Derek Goodban, the sea and town remain fundamental to Ian's life.

"We both enjoy pubs and I feel I have really come home," said Ian.

 

From the Dover Mercury, 18 October, 2012. 80p

BEER TAX ESCALATOR WILL DESTROY PUBS

Ian and Sharon Goodban

Above showing Ian and Sharon Goodban who wrote the following letter.

Dear Mr Elphicke,

CHAMPION a key business in your constituency in next Thursday's debate on alcohol and pub taxes I run The "Deal Hoy" public house that sits in the conservation area in the north end of Deal. I fully appreciate that I retail a drug that when abused can be harmful; I take the responsibility that this entails very seriously. The government claims to take the same stance but policy seems to be at odds with this claim. I am going to keep this as brief as possible but here are my concerns regarding the tax escalator on beer.

1) The first and most obvious is where is the sense in penalising the drink that has the lowest alcohol by volume (ABV)? People that abuse alcohol go for the highest alcohol content in the lowest volume.

2) A recent news item highlighted the growing number of under-age drinkers admitted to casualty. I can guarantee that none of those people got drunk in their local pub. The alcohol would have come from the local corner shop or supermarket sold at pocket money prices. An example; three litres of over 5% ABV cider available from a local supermarket at just over 3.

3) The two concerns highlighted above indicate to me that government policy regarding the controlled and responsible consumption of alcohol is being dictated by the supermarkets and large drinks manufacturers. Why has government policy made it up to 10 times more expensive to drink in a safe and controlled environment? Why has government policy removed the social element from alcohol consumption by increasing the number of solitary drinkers at home? Why has this and previous governments set policies that seem bent on destroying the British pub and creating a nation of stay-at-home problem drinkers?

Britain is famous for its pub culture. At its best the British pub enables people from many backgrounds and social classes to interact and socialise. It becomes its own support network for those in need or isolated, I have a small group of people who have suffered from or are suffering from cancer. They are regulars in the pub and have created their own self-help group; others who find themselves in the same situation are introduced and supported. This is one example of how a pub can provide a social anchor for individuals.

I have lost count of the number of people who come in and say “I am new to the area” or “Do you know a good tradesman?” or “We are setting up a small club, can we meet here?” We also showcase local artists and musicians.

I cannot make huge donations to the major political parties or lobby MPs like the big supermarket chains can.

I simply run a good British pub and ensure that those that enjoy a pint or a glass of wine can do so in a safe and controlled environment. The supermarkets and comer shops do not care where the alcohol goes once it has left their premises; the beer I sell is not consumed by teenagers in the local park. I do not sell tins of 8% lager at give-away prices; I do not encourage people to sit in front of the television and drink themselves into a stupor with a case of lager that cost less than three pints down the pub.

The government is encouraging all these things with the ruinous tax escalator as well as slowly destroying a social institution that has been around for centuries. Prove to me, my customers and your constituents that you at least are not in the pocket of the supermarkets; prove to me that you are driven by genuine concern for people's welfare and the British way of life; prove to me and your constituents that there is at least one politician out there that actually listens to the concerns of those who voted them into power.

Next week's debate calls on the government to support Britain's beer and pub sector by conducting a thorough review of the economic and social impact of the beer duty escalator. As an individual running a small business in your constituency I ask that you to attend the debate and support a review of the way beer is taxed.

Ian Goodban, landlord, "Deal Hoy" public house, Duke Street, Deal.

 

From the Dover Mercury, 15 November, 2012. 80p

BROTHERS PLANNING TO POP UP WITH BURGERS

BEER with burgers has been proven such a success it has driven two brothers to set up their own pop-up burger bar at the "Deal Hoy" pub.

The success of selling homemade burgers at the Astor Theatre's recent beer festival led to an attempt by Karl and Dax Wozny to turn the old balloon shop in Stanhope Road into a burger bar.

But after it fell through, Karl said: “One of my favourite pubs in Deal, The "Deal Hoy," has an unused kitchenette and after cooking landlord Ian Goodban one of my burgers, we both agreed that a pop up residency at The "Deal Hoy" would be a marvellous idea.” The Duke Street pub was taken over nine months ago by Ian and Sharon Goodban, who are behind the venture.

Karl Wozny

Mr Wozny said: “So we are launching the new burger joint, named The Burger Brothers, on Wednesday November 28, at the pub.

“What makes our burgers unique is that we make them ourselves, from local Kent beef and we source the best ingredients to offer burger lovers an authentic New York-style burger, which we believe are the best burgers in the world.” The Burger Brothers will be at The "Deal Hoy" every Wednesday, Friday and Saturday, from 6pm to 9.30pm during the winter months and the hours will extend in the summer.

Not only are Karl and Dax serving the people of Deal through the Hoy, they have also bought an old government prison service van they are converting into a gourmet food truck.

The truck will be ready for the New Year and the brothers will bring their burgers to festivals and events all over the East Kent area and further afield.

Mr Wozny added: Every Wednesday we will be serving locals gourmet New York-style burgers and authentic German frankfurter hot dogs while they listen to live music, which is ever increasingly popular at The Hoy.”

 

From the Dover Mercury, 22 November, 2012. 80p. ADVERTISEMENT FEATURE

TRY THEM - THEY'RE THE BEST BURGERS IN THE WORLD

GOURMET burgers will be served at the "Deal Hoy" pub from Wednesday and Mercury readers can take advantage of our two-for-one reader offer. Brothers Karl and Dax Wozny are setting up the Burger Brothers pop-up burger joint at the Duke Street pub. And for a limited time, between 6pm and 7pm on Wednesday, the offer applies.

Karl and Dax Wozny

Karl, who devised the recipe for his own fast food treats, said: “What makes our burgers unique is that we make them ourselves from local beef and we source the best ingredients to offer burger lovers an authentic New York-style burger - which we believe are the best burgers in the world.” He tested the them out at the Astor Theatre's beer festival in the summer and the response from customers assured him he was on to a winner.

Picture: Chris Davey FM2329779

He then tried to set up a pop-up venture in the former Balloon Shop in Stanhope Road, but when that fell through, the opportunity to marry the unbeatable mix of beer and burgers came thanks to Ian Goodban, the landlord of the "Hoy."

Mr Wozny added: “We are launching the new burger joint, named the Burger Brothers, on Wednesday, November 28 at the pub.”

The Burger Brothers will be at the "Hoy" every Wednesday, Friday and Saturday from 6pm to 9.30pm during the winter months and longer in the summer.

The Wednesday night sessions coincide with the pub's live music nights which are increasingly popular.

Not only will the brothers be serving the people of Deal through the "Hoy," they have also bought an old government prison service van, which they are converting into a gourmet burger truck which will be ready in the New Year.

Karl and Dax Wozny who are opening a popup burger bar at the "Deal Hoy"

 

From the Dover Express, Thursday, 14 February, 2013. 65p. Report by Jamie Rose

IAN PLANS TO JOIN MICROPUB CROWD.

Deal landlord could make switch

A PUB manager has been so impressed by the emergence of micropubs that he is considering cutting ties and setting up his own.

Ian Goodban, who runs The "Deal Hoy" in Duke Street, Deal, has only been in the pub industry for a year but says the escalating overheads are strangling his business.

Mark Robson

The district's first micropub, The "Just Reproach" in Deal, has prospered since opening its doors at the end of 2011, according to the owner, while plenty of the town's other landlords have heaped praise on the concept.

Last week the Campaign for Real Ale said there had been a boom in the number of micropubs.

Mark Robson's (left) The "Just Reproach" was the sixth of its kind in the country, and at least nine more are expected to open between now and Easter.

“It's been really good so far - the people of Deal have accepted it and taken it to heart,” said Mr Robson.

“We get a real mixed bunch in and I think awareness is increasing.

“The pub industry has to reappraise what it is doing. They have to choose whether they want to be in the brewing industry or the property industry.”

Mr Robson admitted he does not make a lot of money from the enterprise - enough to support him and to pay his daughter to work the bar, which is open for reduced hours - and conventional landlords agreed it would be difficult to earn considerable money from it.

“The business model is pretty good and I have been looking at it myself to be honest,” said Mr Goodban of the "Hoy."

“But it reduces your choice because you can't really serve lagers, although real ale is really taking off at the moment.”

Phil Bailey, owner of the "Alma" in West Street, Deal, agreed.

“It's definitely a good thing for the town because it brings people here,” he said.

“They [the "Just Reproach"] get a lot of the student types in -18 and 19 year-olds - and they enjoy it.

“People are coming back to real ale.

“I probably sell more ale than I do lager.”

 

From the Dover Mercury, 22 September, 2016.

Jazz at The Hoy.

The Art Deco Jazz Band will play at the "Hoy" in Duke Street, Deal, on Wednesday. It will feature the musical talents of Chris Rumsey, John Sheppard, Gerry Birch and Andy Maynard on banjo. They will play from 8pm until 10.30pm.

 

 

LICENSEE LIST

HAYMAN Joseph 1836-62+ (age 79 in 1861Census) Bagshaw's Directory 1847Melville's 1858Kelly's 1862 beerhouse to 1847 alehouse 1863+

FRENCH Charles Robert 1864+

Last pub licensee had BROWN Rattery 1867

CORY John Langley 1867-82+ Next pub licensee had Kelly's 1874Post Office Directory 1874Post Office Directory 1882Dover Express

FINNIS William 1887+

GRANT William J 1891+ (age 33 in 1891Census) Post Office Directory 1891

COLEMAN William 1898

NORRIS George Thomas 1898-99+ Kelly's 1899

DEVEREUX John Robert 1903-05 Post Office Directory 1903

NORRIS George Thomas 1905-Mar/33 (age 48 in 1911Census) Post Office Directory 1913Deal library 1914Post Office Directory 1922

NORRIS William Worthington Hadley James Mar/1933-19/Dec/34 dec'd Kelly's 1934 (Son of above)

NORRIS Mrs Maud Dec/1834+

JACKSON Frederick 1835+

OATES John W 1938+ Post Office Directory 1938

ABBOT Miss May Elizabeth 1941

JONES Roger Thomas 1941-44+

CURLING C E 1955+

OATRIDGE Eric J 1962-87 Library archives 1974 Gardner & Co

BRETT Trevor 1987+

JOHNSON Charles & Josephine 1992+

WILLIAMS Stephen 1993+

LENHAM Jeffrey M & Carol, BALL Christopher & HOLMES Michelle Nov/1993+

WILLIAMS S H 1994

BROWN Jonathan 1995-99 Next pub licensee had

ORMSTON Michael Sept/2000

ORMSTON Michael & MULHERN Michael Oct/2000-01

LENHAM Jeffrey M & BALL Christopher J May/2001-09

SHORT Brian 2009+

HAWKES Mrs G 2010+

GOODBAN Ian 20/Dec/2011+ Next pub licensee had

FOULDES Jared 1/May/2015+

https://pubwiki.co.uk/DealHoy.shtml

 

Bagshaw's Directory 1847From Bagshaw Directory 1847

Melville's 1858From Melville's Directory 1858

Kelly's 1862From the Kelly's Directory 1862

Post Office Directory 1874From the Post Office Directory 1874

Kelly's 1874From the Kelly's Directory 1874

Post Office Directory 1882From the Post Office Directory 1882

Post Office Directory 1891From the Post Office Directory 1891

Kelly's 1899From the Kelly's Directory 1899

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1903

Post Office Directory 1913From the Post Office Directory 1913

Deal library 1914Deal Library List 1914

Post Office Directory 1922From the Post Office Directory 1922

Kelly's 1934From the Kelly's Directory 1934

Post Office Directory 1938From the Post Office Directory 1938

Library archives 1974Library archives 1974

CensusCensus

 

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