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St. James' Street
Castle Hill before 1903
On the corner with Hubert Passage, this had been known earlier as "The City of Edinburgh", the title changing previous to 1792.
The early brewers connected with the premises were Iken, (or Jekin), and Coleman and they later amalgamated with Edward Rutley.
It was sold, together with the "Five Alls" in 1865. Satchell was the owner by 1881 but that year it went to the Kingsford brothers for £370. It was described then as a freehold property in the hamlet of Uphill. Later still, it went to George Beer and opened at five a.m. from 1890.
An inquest here, in 1826, sought the identity of a body taken from the sea by Sir Sidney Smith's Caves. The man had slept the previous night at the "Royal Standard" and was identified as Henry Palmer, a clerk from East India House.
There were other houses with this title in the town. A seventeenth century token once circulated with the inscription, Robert Gallant, "White Horse Inn" and showed an image of a horse prancing, it is suggested in the book "Traders Tokens of the seventeenth century by Williamson" the token belonged to this pub, but to date no Robert Gallant can be traced as licensee. Also with the name of "White Horse" was a beerhouse trading at Tower Hamlets from 1842 to 1866. Another was positioned on the South side of the Market Square in 1690 and John Butler kept another addressed simply Buckland, from 1847-52.
Perhaps of interest, alterations to these premises in 1952 brought to light a programme for the Dover Theatre, dated 1809, and advertising Harlequin and Mother Goose.
In 1895, coaches from St. Margaret's-at-Cliffe ran to the inn every day except Sunday.
Much renovation has of necessity been made over the years but its old world charm and antiquity is still very much in evidence.
A Fremlin house.
Now Freehouse (2007).
Greenpeace collection 1986.
Kindly supplied by Stuart Kinnon.
A HOUSE-to-house collection locally by environmental group Greenpeece has raised over £600.
The money will be used to help meet the cost of replacing the group's ship Rainbow Warrior and its other campaigns.
Counting the money raised from the collection are local members (left to right): Peter Kelly, Yoka Harcourt, Richard Beer, Julie Kelly, Linda Pearson, Neil Middlebrooke, Andy Chandler, lan Kinnon, Stuart Kinnon, and AIan Bennett.
From the Dover Express 21 July 1989
WHICH is Dover's oldest pub, asked Bill Hopley, of St Radigund's Road in a letter to the Dover Express.
I think it's mine, says White Horse Inn landlord Charles Willett.
And he sends along a document to show that The White Horse on St James Street, Dover, is also one of the town's oldest residences. It was built during the reign of Edward III in 1365.
At that time, says the document, the sea washed to the front of St. James' Church next door. The churchwarden lived in the property now the pub.
In 1539 with the dissolution of the monasteries the church gave up the house, in the hamlet of Uphill.
In 1574 the house occupied by Dover's "ale taster" and for the next 55 years was home of successive post holders whose duties included checking on the quality of ale on unlawful measures.
He also had the responsibility of reporting anyone who kept a disorderly house.
There were various owners and tenants most of whom were involved in checking or making ales and ciders. In 1652 Nicholas Ramsey was presented to two magistrates at Dover and granted a licence to sell ales and cider from premises adjoining St James Church.
"Olde, at the foot of the hill the hamlet of Uphill," say ancient documents.
In May 1635 Ramsey was granted permission to call the premises "City of Edinburgh" after an American merchantman that sank in the Dover Strait in a storm that year.
Ramsey was said to have retrieved the name-board from the wreckage and to have hung it above the tavern door.
Old papers show a line of successive owners and in the 18th centaury the "City of Edinburgh" became the meeting place of actors and players of the Dover theatre.
In 1818 the name of the inn was changed to the "White Horse". It was about this time that inquests were held there mainly on bodies washed up from the sea.
In 1821 an inquest was held on the body of a man taken from the sea, near Sir Sydney Smith's Caves. He was identified as Henry Palmer, clerk from East India House, who had spent the previous night at the "Royal Standard": verdict misadventure.
In 1865 John Friend sold the "White Horse" along with another tavern the "Five Alls" to Messsrs Iken and Coleman, brewers.
They in turn sold the Kingsford Brewery in 1881 for £870 and eventually it sold to John Rigden who later amalgamated with George Beer and later with Fremlins.
From 1890 until the early part of the twentieth century, coaches ran from St Margaret's-at-Cliffe to the White Horse every day except Sunday. It was also in 1890, until well into the twentieth century, that the inn opened at 5 a.m. for Dockers and others working different shifts.
From the Dover Society Newsletter December 2010. By Joan Liggett.
The White Horse Inn is one of the town's oldest residences dating from 1365. It was built during the reign of Edward III as a dwelling for the Churchwarden of St James Church which stood next door. With the Dissolution of the Monasteries in 1539, the church gave up the house. In 1574 it became home to Dover's "ale taster" and for the next 55 years was the home of successive post holders whose duties included checking on the quality of ale and on unlawful measures. He also had the responsibility of reporting anyone who kept a disorderly house. There were various owners and tenants most of whom were involved in checking or making ales and ciders.
In 1635 a Nicholas Ramsey was granted permission to call the premises "City of Edinburgh," after an American ship that sank in the Dover Straits. Later in 1652 he was presented to two magistrates at Dover and granted a licence to sell ales and cider from premises adjoining St James Church. Old papers show a line of successive owners and in the 18th century the "City of Edinburgh" became the meeting place of actors and players of the Dover Theatre. Alterations to the pub in 1952 uncovered a programme for the Dover Theatre dated 1809 advertising Harlequin and Mother Goose; this programme is still displayed in the pub today.
In 1818 the name of the inn was changed to The White Horse and it was about this time that inquests were held there, mainly on bodies washed up from the sea. These are said to have been stored in what is now the dining area to the rear of the property.
From 1890, until the early part of the twentieth century, coaches ran from St Margaret's-at-Cliffe to the White Horse every day except Sunday. It was also in 1890, until well into the twentieth century, that the inn opened at 5am for Dockers and others working different shifts. Today the White Horse still is a local pub dispensing various beverages including, nowadays, coffee. It also records on its walls, ceiling and doors details of many Channel Swimmers from all over the world.
Above showing a section of the interior wall.
(References: Charles Willett/Dover Express)
From the Dover Mercury 13 July 2000 by Mary Louise.
Landlady's bitter row with brewery.
LANDLADY Andrea Barber is saying goodbye to her dream of running Dover's oldest pub because of changes proposed by Whitbread.
Her customers are united with her in their opposition to the brewery's planned alterations that they claim will ruin The White Horse Inn in St James Street, Dover.
Miss Barber, 35, a former finance manager, took on the lease of the pub seven months ago, but she has handed in her notice due to proposals for internal alterations and a 33 per cent rent increase.
Dover District Council planners approved Whitbread's application for changes to the Grade II listed building on Thursday. These involve the removal of some internal walls to open up the layout and enlarging and extending the toilets.
Many customers had written to the council to protest. Miss Barber and her customers feel Whitbread has ridden roughshod over their views and will ruin their treasured 14th century hostelry. They believe the alterations will destroy the pub's character and atmosphere.
Miss Barber is concerned that changes to load-bearing walls will lead to the building collapsing.
She said: "The brewery reckon that people would not want to eat in here because it is old and tatty, but that is just not true. Foreigners love it and it was heaving at the weekend."
A rent rise from £300 to £400 a week was the final straw for Miss Barber.
She said: "I had to get rid of all my staff because I could not afford them. The brewery says they will not negotiate on rent and I think they are being completely hard-nosed."
Anton Strobl, a regular at the White Horse since the early 1970s, said: "People just don't want these changes, it is a traditional English pub.
"I am pretty gutted about what they want to do. I think they are going to ruin a perfectly good pub."
Stephen Websdale, operations director for Whitbread pubs, said: "Miss Barber has been involved in discussions about the scheme from Day One. "She has decided that she wants to leave and we will be looking for a successor with whom we shall discuss the pub's future. We will take into account their views and the views of all the customers.
"We are aware of the sensitive nature of the site. I am confident that we will produce a scheme that enhances the pub. Some of the facilities are not up to modern standards."
Mr Websdale said the company was aware of the pub's history and heritage and would "go to great lengths" to preserve them.
The White Horse was built in 1365 and was attached to St James Church. The sea used to lap at the front door.
In 1574, Stephen Warde moved into England's third oldest pub as "ale tayster to the parte of Dover".
It was used for inquests in the 19th century. When bodies were washed up, they were stored in the cellar, "the coldest place in Dover".
It is claimed The White Horse has a mischievous ghost, known as George, who turns lights on and off. Many landlords, including Miss Barber, have said they have experienced it.
From the Dover Express, 10 August 2000.
WHEN a history re-enactment group failed to turn up for a show at a Dover pub, one of the members hastily improvised.
Embarrassed organiser; Toni Clifford, left, anxiously waited outside The White Horse Inn, wearing 19th Century dress, for the other Cinque Port Volunteers to show up.
When they failed to arrive, enthused Toni, recited full pelt the history of The White Horse.
She played the character of Mrs Nunn landlady of The White Horse in the 19th Century, and outlined the pub's intriguing history.
White Horse landlady, Andrea Barber congratulated Toni on her remarkable performance. She said: "The volunteers caused me such embarrassment after not showing I was mortified.
I went to so much trouble publicising the event and putting on a buffet for the group. I've decided not to be a member anymore."
From the Dover Express, 16 August, 2001.
Pub is now open again.
ENGLAND'S third oldest pub, the White Horse has reopened after refurbishment costing £105,000.
The inn dates back to 1365 and was a magnet for actors and players as well as a place to house bodies for inquests after drowning at sea.
It was this grisly fame that attracted the name as a white horse is a ghost which rides the waves.
The present inn has been transformed into an eating house to attract locals and tourists.
A spokesman for the Laurel pub chain said: "We worked with English Heritage over the refurbishment because of the historical significance."
From the Dover Express 23 August 2001.
AUGUST 2001 History of the White Horse.
AS a previous licensee of the newly refurbished White Horse Inn, St James Street, Dover; I feel I must write to give you some interesting facts.
When built in the 14th Century it is believed that two cottages stood on the part of St James Street which was the main road from Dover to Deal etc. These cottages were connected with St James Church the other side of Hubert Passage. Somewhere around 1600 William Smith bought and converted the building to an inn.
Walking on the beach one day Smith found a piece of timber with a ship's name, the City of Edinburgh inscribed. He took it home and nailed it over the door of the inn. The City of Edinburgh traded for something like 200 years before becoming The White Horse Inn, the first recorded Landlord being Thomas Parry from 1791-93.
The name White Horse is common in Britain for pubs, the White Horse sign was brought here by Saxon invaders - it was really a sort of logo.
The house has a very strong atmosphere on occasion. The first or second night of our tenancy my wife and I were awakened by someone raking an iron fireplace on the end wall of the bar. Trouble is, there isn't one, just gas in those days! There is also a blocked tunnel in the passage of the second entrance on Hubert Passage, a monk's refuge maybe?
We spent 12 happy years at The Horse with our wonderful customers and were overjoyed when in 1988 the pub was named as one of Britain's Classic Town Pubs. While I lament the passing of a wonderful ale house and also losing the contact of so many great friends I cordially wish the new incumbents all the luck in the world and many happy years.
Charles Willett, Lydden
From the Dover Express 23 August 2001. Advertising feature.
Above staff 2001 and below interior 2001
THE White Horse at St James Street, Dover has recently undergone a transformation.
Peter Harrison and James Coulson took over the lease and re-opened just three weeks ago after having completely refurbished The White Horse, ensuring that the improvements enhance the unique character of this lovely pub.
"It has been a hectic few weeks," said Peter. "When we arrived the pub needed an enormous amount of work to bring it up to standard, but it has been well worth it."
Built in 1365, The White Horse was originally occupied by the Vergers of nearby St James Church, but after the dissolution of the monasteries in 1539, the building became used as an ale-house by local residents and actors appearing at the local playhouse.
As well as being a hostelry, The White Horse housed the bodies of those who died at sea in preparation for the necessary inquests.
"We have a ghost named George who lives on the top floor," said James. "He is a friendly chap, but sometimes is a bit mischievous, radios are sometimes switched on and off and things are moved around. We don't know his history but we'd be very interested in finding out. If anyone knows anything about him, please drop in and tell us."
The White Horse now boasts a wide selection of cask and real ales including Master Brew, Abbot Ale and London Pride. Wine is sold by by the bottle at just £6.95 or by the glass and fresh coffee is always available.
There is a varied bar menu offering all the traditional fare such as traditional sausages with creamy mash and onion gravy and the delicious stilton and broccoli bake - all being served with a choice of potatoes, vegetables or salad. The specials board, which is changed weekly, features such delights a boozy bullocks pie at only £6.25 or minty Barnsley chop at £6.95. The Sunday roasts have become very popular and booking is advisable.
The pretty patio garden is enclosed by napped flint walls and makes a glorious venue to sit and enjoy a meal or a snack with your drink on a balmy summers evening.
The White Horse is open from noon to 11 pm Mondays to Saturday, serving lunch between noon and 3pm and 6pm and 9.30pm. Sunday hours are from noon to 10.30pm, serving food between noon and 3pm and 7pm to 9pm. There is plenty of local parking.
For further information or to reserve your table for the Sunday roast, please call 01304 242974.
Above picture shows the outdoor patio garden.
Accessed 22 August 2010.
Who you gonna call?
If there's something weird in the neighbourhood, who're you gonna call? Well, if you live in Kent then perhaps Jeane Trend-Hill should be your first port of call. Meet the ghost buster...
Jeane Trend-Hill spends her life with ghosts. Not the green and slimy ones from the film or even the terrifying ones that lurk in a child's worst nightmare - but the ones that cling to people and places because they have a story to tell. Jeane is one of those rare people that can interpret these stories and who can, like Cole Sear in 'The Sixth Sense', see dead people.
Dover investigation - May 2006
St. James' Church was founded in Saxon times and was used by the Barons of the Cinque Ports until 1851. The church was almost completely destroyed by the German long-range guns during the Second World War but the ruins were kept as a reminder of Dover's suffering during those years. Here is an account of Jeane's investigation:-
"At St James Church ruins in Dover, I took a quick walk around and also held a piece of stone which I found on the ground to see what I could pick up from it. The local newspaper sent a photographer along and when he arrived and unpacked his equipment and one of the first questions he asked me was if I ever have any trouble with cameras during paranormal investigations? I said it often happened and asked him why? He showed me a photo his camera had apparently taken by itself whilst on his way there. It showed a streak of yellow light across a darker background. It wasn't from anything inside his camera bag and there was no obvious explanation!
"On moving along the chapel aisle I detected the presence of a woman called Agnes who appeared to be around because she was mourning the loss of someone buried there, it was quite emotional in that spot, very sad and I could have easily cried. When we left I picked a daisy and left it in the area where I had sensed her.
"Further along I felt as though there had been some kind of dual fought, a man called Richard with a connection to the Cinque Ports had been involved and I felt like laughing because they had set down their weapons and got into a fist fight almost like a pub brawl / punch up!
"In the corner I found the lovely energy of two Victorian children running in and out playing games and hiding. They were dressed in drab dark clothes the little girl wearing a bonnet and the boy a cap. The energy next to it by the archway was not so nice. Someone had been killed there, stabbed twice, once in the back and once in the thigh. He died from loss of blood to the thigh wound and I felt a searing pain in my leg and as someone pointed out, seemed to be walking with a limp for a minute or two.
"Next we moved on to the White Horse Inn next door, to see if I could find another spirit - 'George' as the locals refer to him. He is believed to be the ghost of a previous Landlord. There were also stories that the place had been used as a temporary morgue or for carrying out autopsies. I had a quick wander around and got the name "Edward" not "George" whom I'd been looking for. He seemed most annoyed that I wanted George and kept repeating "I'm Edward". I felt like he was keeping an eye on things.
"Chatting to the current Landlady later, she revealed that there had been some poltergeist activity with things being moved around but like me didn’t feel it was in any way malicious, more playful. I sensed a few bodies had been laid out for a wake but didn’t get a feeling that there had been any autopsies carried out there.
"A few of us went out to the patio and were amazed when we spotted lights which seemed to be moving. A couple of people noticed it in their camera monitors. At first I wondered if they were street lights but they went from one side to the other as we watched. I also managed to capture some orbs in one shot. I felt the spirits were around and amused at what we were doing!"
The CAMRA meeting of 18th January 2010 reported that the "White Horse" is now under new management.
From the Dover Express 28 January 2010.
PAIR PLAN TO RESUSCITATE WHITE HORSE
Report by Yamurai Zendera
Double act: Mandy Richards and Jeanette Harper have big plans for The "White Horse."
TWO women hope to breath new life into a Dover pub.
Mandy Richards, who already owns the "Park Inn" pub, has bought the lease on The "White Horse" in St James's Street and her first act was to ask Jeanette Harper, an experienced hand in the pub trade, to be manager.
Mother-of-two Jeanette is convinced the venture will be a success. She said: "Mandy asked me if I would manage it and I took two weeks to really think about it.
"But you can't let The "White Horse" go past you because you know it will work. There's just so much scope for improvement in there. If you get the food going in there and the opening hours right it can work."
Qualified chef Jeanette, 40, brings a wealth of experience to bare, having worked on and off in pubs for 23 years.
She said: "We don't want to change it too much, but it does need a bit of doing up. It was built in 1365 so in many ways we want it to be a proper landmark in Dover."
From the Dover Mercury, 27 May 2010.
PUB SCRABBLE LEAGUE NOT FOR 'ANORAKS'.
SCRABBLE enthusiasts are being invited to join a league based at a Dover pub.
Andy Cooper plans to start the league, at The White Horse in St James' Street, in the autumn.
"It would run on Tuesday nights from September to June with a Christmas break, with decent prizes for the winner and runner up," he said.
"I'm looking for between 12 and 18 members. Membership would be free, with a small weekly fee, around £2, to cover boards and the prizes."
Mr Cooper said players would score three points for a win and one for a tie, and a small weekly prize would be awarded to the player with the highest individual word score.
A full set of rules would be drawn up.
"The idea is to have a bit of fun on a weekly basis without it being too serious. I know a lot of people take Scrabble very seriously, and we would have to have an arbiter to resolve any squabbles, but hopefully people will see it as a social occasion and not an anoraks' convention.
From the Dover Mercury, Thursday 7 October 2010.
Report by Yamurai Zendera
CHANNEL SWIMMERS A UNIQUE TRADE FOR PUB.
Niche market good for business
A DOVER pub is to be featured on a BBC documentary about channel swimming.
The "White Horse" in St. James' Street will be shown on "Inside Out" because of its unique association with cross-Channel swimming in Dover.
Visitors to the pub will notice some of the walls covered with messages from swimmers before and after their cross-Channel swims.
Manager Jeanette Harper was recently interviewed for the show - although she had no idea the crew was turning up at the pub.
She said: "They just turned up at about midday. They wanted to take quite a few shots of all the signatures and messages on the walls.
"They asked me what they brought to the pub. I told them it's brought a lot of extra business because I have got the niche market. It's almost like a museum to channel swimmers."
Jeanette, who became manager this year when lease changed hands, said she believes the wall signing ritual began eight years ago.
She said: " The first signatures were written on the walls in 2002. There's stuff on there marked as before that time, say in the eighties, but it was only written after 2002.
"I've had a really busy summer because of it. When someone swims the Channel there're normally in the area for several weeks beforehand, eating and drinking in my pub because they know of its link with channel swimming."
Regular Darren King believes the messages on the walls were started by one of two brothers - Peter or Albert Bardoel.
He said: "They were there one day and one of them said he was going to swim the Channel. He said that when he swam it he would come back and sign the wall. It all expanded from there."
"Inside Out" is due to be shown on BBC One on October 14 at 7.30pm.
From the Dover Express, 9 December 2010.
FIREFIGHTERS were called to a chimney fire at a property in Dover on Monday.
Crews from the town and one from Folkestone were sent to the site of the blaze in St James Street at 10.05am after reports of a fire on the first floor.
It took the crews almost three hours to extinguish the flames behind a fireplace and make the scene safe.
From the Dover Mercury, Thursday 6 January 2011.
SWIMMERS' FAVOURITE PUB SHUTS.
A POPULAR Dover pub closed its doors on Monday.
The "White Horse Inn," in St James' Street, had a sign on the door saying the closure was temporary and "watch this space".
The pub was popular with Channel swimmers who signed their names on the walls and ceiling.
It was built in 1365 as a home for the churchwarden of St James' Church. In the 17th century it was called the "City of Edinburgh" and was a meeting place for those appearing at the Dover Theatre. It became the "White Horse" in 1818 and was the venue for inquests, mainly on bodies washed up from the sea.
A year ago, Mandy Richards, of Dover's "Park Inn," bought the lease on the "White Horse" and Jeanette Harper was manager.
From the Dover Express, Thursday, 6 September, 2012. 65p.
REGULARS MOURN LAST ORDERS ON WHITE HORSE
ANOTHER local business opening its doors for the last time this weekend was the "White Horse" pub.
The St James Street tavern was given a rousing send-off by local bands before it closed on Sunday.
Regular visitor Phil Eyden said: “It was quite busy last night. There were about 50 people there when I turned up at eight so it got a good send-off.
“It was a sad day really for one of the nicest pubs in Dover. There just isn’t enough money any more. It’s a shame - it’s the end of an era.
“I’m sure it’ll be back with a new landlord but things are never quite the same.
“At the end of the day it’s not just a drinking hole. The regulars are a small community really. Their meeting point is then taken away and they’ll have to find a new place to meet up. Pubs have a social role too.”
The "White Horse," which has served as a hub for cross-Channel swimmers visiting the town, was also the site where broadcasting enthusiasts first got together to discuss what became Dover Community Radio.
The pub is believed to be Dover's oldest, with the history of the premises going back to the reign of Edward III in 1365. Over the years members of Dover Rowing Club have been frequent customers.
The attractive premises was once known as The "City of Edinburgh," and at one stage was considered a handy place to hold inquests.
Landlady Jeanette Harper said she, did not wish to comment on the closure of the business.
Unfortunately the pub closed at the start of September 2012, but is now again open for business again (December 2012).
ELDRIDGE Honor 1755-63 ?
GALLANT Robert ????
Pub name was "City of Edinburgh" before this landlord.
PARRY Thomas 1791-93
PAIN Thomas 1791-92
BULLARD Thomas 1805-23
HORN James 1826-40+
BUTLER John 1847
BUTLER Mr E 1849-50+
SPICER William 1858
SPICER John Jan/1860
FRIEND John Jan/1860-66
HARRIS Alfred Mar/1870-May/80
CLEMENTS Thomas May/1880+ ("Hawkhurst Hotel" tap-keeper)
WESTLEY William 1881
WESTLEY Richard 1881-82+
SPAIN Harry Beaufoy June/1890-1901
SPAIN Mrs Selina 1901-Sept/29
BANKS Harold Sept/1929-32+ (Former Club secretary, Tonbridge)
IMRIE William Alexander Richie 1936-37 end
FAIERS Alfred John George 1937-45 end
ATKINSON Cyril F 1945-50 dec'd 1953
ATKINSON Mrs F E 1950-66 end
BAILEY Herbert John 1966-78 end Whitbread Fremlins
AUBREY J A 1978
WILLETT Charles S T 1980-91 retired
CONNELLY Trevor 1991
AMOS Nigel 1993
BARBER Andrea 2000
HARRISON Peter and COULSON James August 2001+
Jack and Jill ????
HARPER Jeanette Jan/2010-Sept/2012
ZAMMIT Tony Dec/2012+
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