THREE HORSESHOES Pubs of Great Mongeham

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Paul Skelton

Earliest 1662

Three Horseshoes

Still open

139 Mongeham Road

(Great Mongeham)

01304 375812

A peaceful scene at Great Mongeham, when it was safe enough for a child to stand in the middle of the road.

Picture by Gregory Holyoak. Circa 1903.

The 2011 view of Mongeham Road, with the street Iined by parked vehicles.

Picture by Paul Amos.

Three Horseshoes sign, Great Mongeham, 2009

Above photos by Paul Skelton 25 July 2009.

Above photos circa 2008

Above 3 photos by kind permission of The Three Horseshoes, 4 May 2008. Sign taken by Paul Skelton 16 March 2008.

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday 11 May, 1846. Price 5d.

On Wednesday evening last a party of friends met at the "Three Horse Shoes Inn," for the purpose of enjoying a social evening. The gentleman of the orchestra of the Eastry Harmonica Society were also present, and very materially, as well as creditably, contributed to enhance the pleasure of the convivial circle. A number of glee, duets, &c. were sung in good style, followed by many excellent toasts and sentiments. The chair was ably filled, and good order prevailed. A substantial repast was provided on the occasion, the viands, as well as liquors, being bountifully supplied, and of a superior quality. Much credit is due to the worthy host (Mr. Allen) and hostess for their kind attention to the comforts of their guests, and the excellent manner in which they entertained them, and we hope that ere long a similar meeting will take place again.

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday 14 February, 1846. Price 5d.

Mr. ALLEN, Landlord of the "Horse Shoes" Mongeham: "Deal:

Caution - Common Informers v. Publicans

A case was heard last week at the office of Mr. Mercer, solicitor, which excited some interest. An information had been laid against Mr. ALLEN, the respected landlord of the "Horse Shoes," at Great Mongeham, by a Mr. J. PARKER the elder, farmer and cow doctor, of the same place, for serving, as Parker alleged, a pint of beer during the hours of divine service.

However, the informer and his witness (his own son) failed in supporting the information, and the case broke down. Mr. ALLEN was therefore acquitted, and the informer saddled with the costs.

Mr. Bass, of Dover, conducted the case for Mr. ALLEN in a most able manner. Mr. ALLEN is very generally respected in Mongeham, and his house is well conducted.

The defeat of the informer is looked upon with much satisfaction."

From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury, 26 April, 1873.

SUICIDE AT GREAT MONGEHAM

Mr. Delasaux proceeded to the "Three Horseshoes" public-house, at Great Mongeham, to hold an inquest upon the body of Mr. William Page, a farmer residing in that parish, and whose body had been found early the previous morning floating in a pond directly opposite the public-house above named, and but a few rods from the turnpike road. Mr. Joseph Paramour, sen, was elected foreman of the Jury, which was composed, in addition, of the following gentlemen:- Messrs. J. Bass, F. Brett, R. Capp, E. Foreman, F. Hopper, S. Philpott, E. Pott, J. Paramour, jun., G. Rigden, and I. Terry. The body having been viewed, the following evidence was adduced:-

James Hewitt deposed: I live at Sholden Bank. I am a labourer and have worked for deceased about seven years and eight months. Yesterday morning, about twenty minutes past six, I went from my master's house to the farm. It is my custom always to go to the house first. I went and looked round the premises, having been told master had not been home all night. I went in search of him, and as I could not find him, I made enquiries of Mr. Homersham, bailiff to Mr. Charles, and asked him to go and assist me in making further search. After a time we found his body floating in a pond in meadow belonging to the deceased. I went and obtained further assistance and took the body from the water. It was quite dead. I believe deceased to have been drowned. I last saw deceased alive about 4.30 on Saturday afternoon, at his own house. He seemed as usual. For the last month or six weeks he has been in a strange way. I do not know from what cause.

Thomas Homersham said: I live at Great Mongeham and am bailiff to Mr. Charles. Yesterday morning the last witness came to me to go with him in search of the deceased, whom he told me had been missing all night. We found deceased in a pond in his own meadow. He was quite dead when we took him from the water. I have known deceased for about 20 years. For the last few months he has appeared rather low-spirited. I know of no cause for this. I last saw him alive on Friday afternoon last, when he spoke to me.

Margaret Homersham, wife of the last witness, said: I have known deceased for about 20 years, and last saw him alive on Sunday evening. He came to pay me 1s. 3d. for some milk, and he appeared as cheerful as usual. He came a second time the same evening, it being about half-past seven o'clock the last time. He called me to the door then and gave me his purse to take care of for him, saying he would call for it again presently. I put it away, and did not say anything about it till the next morning. I have since heard that the purse contained £2 3s. Deceased had never left his purse with me before.

This being the whole of the evidence, the Coroner briefly summed up, and the jury, without much hesitation, returned the following verdict:-

"That deceased drowned himself when in a state of mental derangement." The deceased was 46 years of age.

From the Deal, Walmer and Sandwich Telegraph, 29th March, 1879

DEATH - Great Mongeham, Mr. Shadrach Allen, for many years landlord of the ‘Three Horse Shoes’, aged 80 years.

(Information kindly supplied by Sue Solley)

From the Deal, Walmer and Sandwich Telegraph, 22 January, 1881

SUICIDE AT GREAT MONGEHAM

An inquest was held at the Three Horse Shoes, Great Mongeham, on Wednesday afternoon, touching the death of Jane Sackett Philpott, aged 31 years who was found suspended by a cord in the coal house at her residence at Great Mongeham.

Alfred Leonard Philpott, baker sworn: I live at Great Mongeham. Deceased was my wife. I last saw her alive at 5.30 Tuesday morning …. For the last ten days she has been rather strange, and said at times that her children were starving and that she should be hung for it. She has a child about three months old …… has never been in a strange way before. About half past ten on Tuesday morning I found the coal house door shut … I opened the door and found deceased suspended by a cord. She was then quite dead ……

Verdict – that deceased committed suicide by hanging herself while in an unsound state of mind.

(Information kindly supplied by Sue Solley)

From the Deal, Walmer and Sandwich Telegraph, 19th March, 1881

The Village of Mongeham was quite en fete on Thursday in consequence of the marriage of Mr. Hopper and Miss Norris. Two carriages, the horses and drivers being decorated with wedding favours, took the happy couple to and from church. The church bells were rung in honour of the auspicious event, both after the ceremony and during the evening. The hand bell ringers made a tour of the village.

A rope was also stretched from the Three Horse Shoes to a post on the opposite meadow, on which was suspended a rake, spade, hoe, pickaxe, scythe, pitchfork, a bunch of parsnips, cabbages etc. emblematical of the occupation of the worthy bridegroom – a gardener.

(Information kindly supplied by Sue Solley)

From the Deal, Walmer and Sandwich Telegraph, 10th December 1881

Fire at Mongeham

On Monday, 5th December, a fire broke out at the "Three Horse Shoes" public house at about 3.30 pm in a large thatched kitchen at the back of the house. It appears that the fire originated in the chimney. About 40 men with buckets and the aid of a good water supply succeeded in preventing it spreading to the old building, which is a thatched one. The news having reached Deal, the Fire Brigade with their engine were quickly on the spot, but by that time the fire was got well under control. The sign of this ancient inn bears the date 1735.

(Information kindly supplied by Sue Solley)

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 28 January, 1881. Price 1d.

SUICIDE

On Thursday an inquest was held by T. S. Johnson, Esq., deputy coroner, at the "Three Horse Shoes Inn," Great Mongeham, on the body of Jane Sackett Philpott, aged 31 years, belonging to that place. Alfred Leonard Philpott, baker, husband of the deceased, stated that the unfortunate woman had for the last ten days been strange in her appearance and conduct, saying that he children were starving and that she would be hanged for it. On Wednesday morning the children were in trouble about their mother having disappeared, and on witness looking into the coal-house he saw the deceased suspended by a cord, quite dead. Witness obtained assistance, and she was cut down. The jury returned a verdict to the effect that deceased committed suicide whilst in a state of temporary insanite.

Three Horseshoes carpark Great Mongeham 1998

The above three pictures are of The Three Horseshoes in Great Mongeham. The bottom one shows the car-park. All photographs by kind permission of Dover Library and were taken in 1998.

Above photo of the Three Horseshoes, centre of picture, date unknown, kindly supplied by Sue Solley.

From the Dover Express, 11 February 1999.

Pub can build in car park.

OUTLINE planning approval has been given for homes in a pub car park.

Members of Dover District Council's planning committee approved the application by owners of the Three Horseshoes in Mongeham Road, Great Mongeham.

The landlords convinced councillors the car park was virtually unused as all their customers live in the village.

The parish council was worried about a possible increase in on-street parking if, in the future, the pub became more popular with people from outside Great Mongeham.

Built in 1676 and was the blacksmith's until it became three cottages and eventually permission was granted in 1801 to sell alcohol, although records show licensees mentioned before that date.

However the Sandwich Borough Records shows Licensed Victuallers who paid for new Inn signs, 6s. 8d, and Sureties of £5 on 12th September, 1662.

Unfortunately, no address was given, and I am only assuming this to be the same pub.

I have found reference to a "Five Horse Shoes," Sholden, which is just outside Great Mongeham, from the 1740 list of Wingham Division Ale Licence renewals, and it is not know whether there is any connection at present, as errors often occurred in names and vicinity in these documents. However, the same list also mentions this pub and indicates a different licensee. The Wingham Division Ale Licence list names this pub in 1740 as renewing its licence for 8 shillings. Unfortunately the name given as licensee in 1740, Joseph Browne doesn't at present tally with the one already on the list, so I will assume that this is indeed a different pub.

The name "Three Horse Shoes" is quite common in pubs with blacksmith and farrier connections as the horse would need to stand of three legs (three shoes touching the ground) whilst the fourth one is fitted, but I don't know how the five horse shoes comes into this theory. I am assuming the other one tried to outdo this pub with two extra shoes.

The next passage has been taken from an article that hangs in a picture frame inside the pub:-

This inn known by the name and sign of the Three Horseshoes was built in the 16th year of Charles II, in 1676.

When first built the property was a blacksmiths dwelling with adjoining forge, owned by the estate of Richard Tully esq. of Mongeham parish, who, it appears commissioned the building of the property for the benefit of those living and working on his estate, which then took in many properties and lands in the parish of Mongeham and what is now Upper Deal. This would be feasible for the nearest blacksmiths at that time was in the parish of Studdal.

The first recorded smith to reside here and conduct his craft, was one Joshua Fagge blacksmith of Great Mongeham, who occupied the house on a form of peppercorn lease, which he had been granted in 1677. His wife Francis and children, Cephas, Naomi, Samuel, Reuham, Charlotte, and Esther are also recorded here between 1677 and 1692. By the latter date only the elder Fagge and Charlotte and Esther are recorded here. They remained here until 1698, and during the course of those years, the widow Francis Fagge, was, like her husband, described as a blacksmith.

In 1698, one Thomas Harrison blacksmith was granted a lease on the property, however in 1703 he was able to purchase the freehold from the executors of the Tully estate. Harrison remained here until his death in 1736, leaving the property to his wife Sarah, who at this point is described as a blacksmith, as is her son Daniel. The widow Harrison died in 1742, and bequeathed everything, including the contents of the house, down to the last article of linen, to her son Daniel. However, also included in the items mentioned in the will were a number of vassails (mugs) and drinking pots, so it i quite possible that the Harrisons were brewing their own ales, at this date.

In 1756, Daniel Harrison sold the dwelling and forge to Mathew Hopper, blacksmith of Deal parish. He resided here with his family and operated the forge till 1783, selling in that year to Isaac Bray, blacksmith and farrier of Eastry parish. He died in 1795 and the property passed by the terms of his will to his eldest son Samuel blacksmith, and daughter Susannah, harness maker. In January 1801, Samuel Bray, applied for and was granted a licence to sell ales from the premises, which at this date remained untitled other than that it was a beer house of Great Mongeham parish, and that Bray, a smith and farrier and now beer seller was of that house. However, on a subsequent hearing before Deal Magistrates, he registered the house under the title of that, that it had commonly come to be called, the "Three Horseshoes", the origin of which refers to the trade of a smithy, who after obtaining a licence for a particular house called it the "Three Horseshoes" if it was situated on even ground or the "Four Horseshoes" if the property was on a hill.

In 1816, Samuel Bray sold the now thriving ale house to Richard Hayman, blacksmith and beer retailer of Deal. In 1816, he was granted a liquor licence for the house and the "Three Horseshoes" became a registered tavern. He died in 1824 and became the last blacksmith to surrate the forge as well as run the house. When he died he bequeathed the property to his daughter Maria, who kept the house until her death in 1862. In that year the executors of her will namely a masher John Goad, sold the "Three Horseshoes" to Thomas Hills, brewer of Great Mongeham and Lower Street, Deal (now the High Street). They installed one Shadrach Allen as keeper at an annual rent of 12 guineas.

He kept the house till 1877, handing over to Counard Philpott, who remained here until 1889, and was succeeded by Alfred John Ratcliff and he in 1898, by William Wright, who remained here until his death in 1936. By this date the Flynns brewery in Canterbury, had purchased the house from the Mills Brewery. In 1936 one Herbert Arnold came to keep the house and remained for many years. To-day the "Three Horseshoes" a Whitbread house is kept by Keith Austin. (I am not sure when this was written, but between 1934 and 1974)

From the Deal, Walmer & District and Kingsdown Telegram, 5 October, 1861.

An inquest was held at the "Three Horseshoes," Great Mongeham.

From the Dover Mercury, 4 December 2003.

TOP-CLASS FOOD: The Three Horseshoes Ref: pd 512749

CHRISTMAS will be an extra -special time this year for Wendy and Martin Styles, who are the new licensees of the Three Horseshoes in Great Mongeham.

They are looking forward to sharing the season with everyone looking for a warm welcome, excellent food and good company.

The Christmas menu looks delicious and the pub is taking bookings now for meals, starting from Monday.

Wendy and Martin are offering four courses for £14.95, with a £5 deposit per head, and more details can be obtained by phoning 01304 375812.

There is a choice of three starters. Salmon goujons are served on a bed of salad leaves, there are mushrooms in a creamy garlic sauce and crusty bread or breaded chicken fillets on a skewer served with a sweet chilli dip.

Three main courses include turkey with all the trimmings, roast beef with Yorkshire pudding or leek and stilton tart, all served with roast potatoes and fresh vegetables.

For dessert the choice is between Christmas pudding with brandy sauce or cream, or Black Forest pudding with cream. Cheese and biscuits are also available.

The meal is followed by coffee and mince pies, with mints and a Christmas cracker.

Wendy and Martin have made some impressive changes at the old village pub, which has a rich history.

It was built in 1676 and was the blacksmith's until it became three cottages and eventually permission was granted in 1801 to sell alcohol.

Apart from the special Christmas menu the Three Horseshoes serve food every lunchtime and evening except Thursday.

Each Tuesday between noon and 2.30pm the pub serves a two-course meal for pensioners for £3.50 and Fridays is fresh pan-fried fish day, lunchtimes and evenings.

On Saturday food is served between noon and 8pm, with Sunday menus available from the same time but finishing at 4pm.

The two-course Sunday roast is £6.95 and each week it varies between beef, pork or lamb. There is also a specials board, with all food home-made.

Friday is live music night, there are darts and pool to play and in the summer a big garden for the children.

Wendy said: "We are a family pub and next year are hoping to start a social club for customers.

"Our locals are brilliant people and so friendly. We would like to thank them for their support since we came in September. They are a good crowd.

"We also welcome their dogs and there is always a special hello from our Labrador Rosie, known as the old lady."

An outlet for Fremlins in 1974.

Closed for a week in July 2008 while new landlord replaced Graham and Alison Adcock and settled in. Name of Sam & Sarah Rodwell.

From the Kent on Sunday, 9 August, 2009.

Pub meal for celebrity chef.

Ready, Steady, Cook star Ainsley Harriott was a visitor to the "Three Horse Shoes" pub in Mongeham, near Deal, along with members of his family.

The TV presenter called for lunch while on his way to a wedding, which also took place in the village.

Staff said he was friendly but declined to do the cooking as he was on a day off, and added that he enjoyed his lunch and tipped generously.

From the Dover Mercury, Thursday, 13 January, 2011

THE ONLY TRAFFIC WAS HORSE PULLING A SMALL CART

A quiet country lane on the outskirts of Deal more than a century ago is featured in this week's Now and Then. (See top picture.)

The stamp on the back of the Wykeham Collection number 1401 postcard is dated January 3 1905, and addressed to Miss M. Kennett, Sholden, near Deal. Kent.

It was taken in Mongeham Rood, near the junction with St Richard's Road and looking towards the Northboume and Ripple direction.

Great Moogeham in 1905 was a quiet village and separate from its bigger neighbour in Deal. So peaceful that the only traffic was a horse pulling a small carriage outside the pub, which is stop open.

The words "Three Horse Shoes" can be seen on the side of the public house, which dates back to the 1700s. The building on the corner of St Richard's Road is still standing, with its distinctive tall chimney pot, although the windows have changed. The front door is now bricked up and facing St Richands Road.

In 1905 there was a shop next to the corner property and the bank on to the lower road is still the same, as well as the long line of single storey homes just beyond.

A car park next to the "Three Horseshoes" pub was recently built on and several new homes arc now on the site.

On the other side of the road the big tree is no longer in a front garden and the road has been widened, although the detached house Is still standing. In 1911 the Baptist Church Mission Hall was built opposite the St Richard's junction and is now called the Mongeham Christian Centre. According to an engraving on the facade: "This stone was laid by the carpenters, bricklayers, painters, labourers and helpers who gave their services free in the building of this mission hall."

Visit their web site at:- www.threehorseshoes.synthasite.com

LICENSEE LIST

TEEDE William 1662+

FAGGE Joshua (blacksmith) 1677-92

FAGGE Charlotte (widow & blacksmith) 1692-98

HARRISON Thomas (blacksmith) 1698-1736

HARRISON Mrs (widow & blacksmith perhaps brewer) 1736-42

BROWNE William 1740