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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1860

Lord Clyde

Latest Dec 2010

61 The Strand

Deal

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Lord Clyde 1900

Above shows the Lord Clyde 1900 with licensee Herbert Hilson and family at the door. (Or is it Thomas Hilson circa 1923?)

From the East Kent Mercury 8 December 2011

Lord Clyde history feature update

I REFER to your article about the Lord Clyde on November 24 in the Now and Then feature.

I believe the caption you had regarding 1900 to be incorrect. My grandad, Thomas Hilson, had the "Lord Clyde," certainly after the First World War and sometime in the 1920s, and the book Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer (with Kingsdown and Mongeham) by Steve Glover and Michael Rogers quotes him being there in 1923.

The photo is of him and his wife but I am not sure who the other female is.

He had three sons and it is probably his wife's sister, who may have helped in the pub.

John Hilson, Blake Close, Walmer

 

Lord Clyde 2010

Above photo kindly sent by licensee Paul White, 22 March 2010.

Lord Clyde in Deal Lord Clyde sign in DealLord Clyde sign 1992

Above sign left, 2011 by Tony Wells, sign right, August 1992.

With thanks from Brian Curtis www.innsignsociety.com.

Lord Clyde, Walmer sign

Above aluminium card issued June 1951. Sign series 3 number 20.

 

Earliest found to date is the 1861 census that suggests the pub was operating around 1860.

Named after 1st Baron Clyde, also known as Field Marshall Colin Campbell (1892-1863) he was a British soldier of Scottish origin, born Colin Macliver he took his name from his mother's brother Colonel John Campbell, when only 15 he was presented to the Duke of York who enlisted him under the surname Campbell.

 

From the Kentish Chronicle, 19 April, 1862.

Catherine Kane, who was only liberated from gaol on Saturday, was charged with creating a disturbance at the “Lord Clyde” public-house, Military Road.

Mr. Russell, the landlord, deposed that the defendant came into his tap room, on Saturday night, and asked for a pot of beer. Both himself and his wife refused to serve her, and as the complainant was endeavouring to turn her out, she struck him several times. He then gave information to the police, but the officer communicated with said, that as he had not seen any of the disturbance he did not think he should be justified in apprehending her. About half an hour after she returned to the house, and was again very violent. She threw two pots down, and when complainant attempted to put her out she again assaulted him.

Committed for a month to the city gaol.

 

From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury, 11 September, 1869. 1d.

ANNUAL LICENSING DAY

The renewal of the license of Mr. Romney, the landlord of the "Lord Clyde" beer-house was opposed by the Superintendent of Police. Mr. Mourilyan, who supported the renewal, however, produced a memorial, signed by the neighbours, setting forth the good character of the landlord, and that the house was no annoyance to them, and also one signed by some gentleman in the neighbourhood, also testifying to his good character; and stated that Mr. Romney had lived many years in the service of the late Sir N. Knatchbull, also with Colonel Rae and other gentleman of position. The Magistrates immediately renewed the license.

 

Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald, 1 January 1870.

CANTERBURY POLICE COURT.

Thursday. (Before the Mayor, and W. J. Cooper, Esq).

PUBLICAN'S OFFENCE.

Mrs Russell, landlady of the “Lord Clyde," was charged with opening her house for the sale of beer at an illegal hour on Sunday, the 26th. The evidence of P.C. Tomlin went to show that there were several people in the house, who were very noisy. The doors were closed.

The Mayor pointed out an informality in the wording of the summons. Defendant was charged with opening her house, whereas it was closed.

The Magistrates' Clerk: Yes, if I had received proper information, the summons would have been differently worded, viz, the defendant would have been charged with selling beer at an illegal time.

The Superintendent thought that when the doors were not fastened and business was going on, the house was opened.

The Bench however dismissed the case, but expressed an opinion that Tomlin had done his duty.

 

The pub was supplied by Jude Hanbury of Canterbury at the turn of the 19th century. By 1924 the pub was supplied by the East Kent brewery who advertised the premises as including a beerhouse with stabling. Mackeson's took over later and in January 1841 placed a protection order on the building. An outlet for Fremlins in 1974. Library archives 1974 and after this saw Shepherd Neame take over the building and it it these today who still supply the beer.

The licensee Herbert Hilson eventually moved next door and opened Dainties Sweet Shop round about 1900 and in 1923 another Hilson was licensee. At present it is unknown whether they were related..

The "Alma" used to stand close by but now unfortunately closed.

 

From "Inns of Kent"; Whitbread & Co. Ltd.; 1948.

Deal and Walmer are contiguous and there is little to choose between them. Both are graced with one of Henry VIII's charming but businesslike clover-leaf castles (that of Walmer is the official residence of the Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports), and both have played a great part in the medieval history of England. The sea fronts are architecturally enchanting, with every known period represented, but mainly Georgian and early Regency. The "Stag" at Walmer and The "Lord Clyde" are both good Regency houses within a few yards of one another, facing the sea, just waiting for history to turn another page. From without one catches the cheerful glint of a well-polished tap room, for quiet comfort is the keynote of them both. Only, at some time or another, The "Stag" has stolen a march on The "Lord Clyde" and has produced a neat little Regency balcony with canopy complete, which seems hardly fair.

 

From an Email received 1 January 2011

I am just researching family history and found in 1881 Census that my Great Great Grandfather William Thomas Bullen is listed as a Licensed Victualler for The Lord Clyde, Walmer Kent in 1881.

Photo of him shown below supplied by Ken Paul, his Great, Great Grandson.

William Thomas Bullen

Have sent for his will – had 70 pounds left to his son who is also listed as a Licensed Victualler in 1896 when he died. He was licensee from at least 1874 till at least 1891 when he retired, he died in 1896.

So will see if his son took it over when he died. His son, however, was licensee of the "Dolphin" from 1878 to 1908.

I am currently going through all other census years to see what/who was at the address 59 – 61 The Strand, Lord Clyde.

Regards, Marie Grech

Doubleview, Perth, Western Australia.

 

From the East Kent Mercury 16 August 1990.

SAYING CHEERS TO PHIL.

Phil Bailey has pulled his last pint at The "Clyde" in Walmer and left the pub after nearly eight years behind the bar.

Customers have been saying goodbye to Phil and his wife Cindy and a series of presentations were organised.

An official Royal Marines School of Music picture was handed over by regulars from the barracks, and staff from the National Westminster Bank, along The Strand, gave Phil an iced cake.

 

Lord Clyde advert 2010

Above shows an advert that appeared in the Deal Mercury 2010

Lord Clyde advert 2010

Above shows an advert that appeared in the Deal Gig Guide 2010.

 

I have just been informed that the pub was closed in the latter part of 2010.

 

Lord Clyde 2011 Lord Clyde closed sign 2011

Sign shows the information seen in the window, January 1st, 2011, both photos taken by Tony Wells.

From Porters Chartered Surveyors 1 January 2011

THE LORD CLYDE, 61 THE STRAND, WALMER, DEAL, KENT CT14 7DP

Freehold Guide Price: 220,000 PLUS VAT PLUS SAV

Prominent on Walmer Strand overlooking seafront. Easily managed, attractive one bar community public house with food potential. Single bar with central bar servery, trade kitchen, customer toilets, cellar. Three bedroom private accommodation plus lounge, kitchen and bathroom. Rear trade garden with covered smoking shelter.

Ref: PA451

 

From the Dover Mercury, 24 November, 2011. 70p

RICH HISTORY OF LORD CLYDE PUB

The Strand is one of the town's best assets, with its historic lifeboat house, St Saviour's Church, the line of beach huts, boats and the Deal Memorial Bandstand on Walmer Green. Many shops have been converted into homes, although many are still in business along the long row of properties overlooking the sea.

There also used to be plenty of pubs, but now only one remains, which is the "Stag."

Lord Clyde 2011

Scaffolding is up around the former "Lord Clyde" opposite Walmer Paddling Pool, which closed about a year ago. There are plans to convert it into a restaurant.

The pub was named after "Lord Clyde," who was born Colin Campbell in Glasgow in 1792 and died In 1863.

He was an outstanding soldier, and as a young recruit adopted his uncle's name. He saw action in the Peninsular War between 1808 and 1814 and was stationed in Gibraltar, Barbados, China and India, honoured for his bravery with a knighthood and a sword of honour presented by the city of Glasgow.

He was commander-in-chief in India at the time of the Indian Mutiny and brought about the relief of Lucknow. He was promoted to the rank of Field Marshall on his return to Britain. He was buried in Westminster Abbey.

The "Lord Clyde" beer house opened about 1860 and in 1870 the landlord was imprisoned for six months' hard labour for beating his wife.

According to The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer (with Kingdown and Ringwould), the East Kent Brewery in 1923 advertised the premises as a "beer house and stabling".

From 1924 through to the 1940s it was considered to be a cosy family pub with ex-Royal Marine bandsman Billy Monckton in charge.

He was still behind the bar when the "Lord Clyde" was granted a wine licence, followed by a full licence in 1950.

Lord Clyde 1955

Shepherd Neame took over the premises in 1971 and in the early 1970s the landlady was Ellen Pickford, a life-tong fan of comedian Max Wall, who is said to have visited the pub.

The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer (with Kingsdown and Mongeham) was written by Steve Glover and Michael Rogers, who both live in Deal. It was first published by Bygone Publishing, Whitstable.

A hardback version was on sale last year and the book is now on sale as a paperback for 15.99 from Tylers and Ropers in Deal High Street and also Deal Book Shop in Broad Street.

 

From the East Kent Mercury 8 December 2011

Last orders by Steve Glover and Michael Rogers.

The "Lord Clyde" opened around 1861. In the first half of the 20th century, it was run by Billy Monkton and his wife, together with a ‘fish supper saloon' in York Road, which was accessed via the rear of the pub. In 1963, The Rolling Stones performed a gig at the Strand Palais in The "Yew Tree," in Mill Hill North Barrack Road (which was previously a pub called The "Rising Sun" but now an Autobase Cyclelife outlet).

The story goes that Mick Jagger and Brian Jones popped into the "Lord Clyde" for a drink but were forcibly ejected following an altercation! The pub called ‘last orders' in December 2010 and the building is currently undergoing renovations and will soon reopen as La Bouche, a French restaurant.

 

 

Latest news is the pub is indeed being transformed into a French Restaurant titled "La Bouche." Details regarding when it will open are to follow, and will probably be published in their own web site found here:- www.la-bouche.co.uk (link no longer active 2019)

 

From the Dover Express, Thursday, 8 March, 2012. 60p. Report by Sam Inkersole

NEW RESTAURANT IS A LIFELONG DREAM

La Bouche staff

VIVE LA FRANCE: Peter May, his wife Jane, head chef and son Henry with staff at their new restaurant, La Bouche.

French cuisine on the menu at former pub

A NEW restaurant opened in Walmer on Tuesday, the realisation of the owner's lifelong dream.

"La Bouche," a French restaurant on The Strand, on the site of the old "Lord Clyde" pub, is the brainchild of Pete May.

Mr May, 59, bought the pub when it closed down 16 months ago, and has completely refurbished the building.

The father-of-one also runs a small residential home in Dover, but says he has been dreaming up a fantasy French menu for the last 35 years.

Now he has taken the plunge and opened his own restaurant, and says he can't wait to get going.

He said: “It has taken twice as long and twice the amount of cash we had planned to refurbish the old pub, but we are finally at a stage where we can open.

“This is a realisation of a 35-year dream, and to have my family as part of this venture makes me immensely proud.

“Having worked in social services and residential homes throughout my professional career, I want visitors to the restaurant to come not just for the excellent food, but to also be looked after properly and treated well in a friendly atmosphere.

“The pub was in a terrible state when we took it over. But after a lot of hard work we have transformed it and it looks great.

“Before my mum passed away two years ago she said to me that I should follow my dream and open a restaurant, and here I am now.

Mr May paid tribute to his wife Jane, son Henry and step-daughter Nicky for helping to get the project off the ground.

He added: “I could not have done it without them and all their help over the last 16 months.

■ To make a booking at La Bouche, call 01304 368881.

 

 

Latest news I have just received in November 2016 is that Eva and Steve Whitney have just bought the building and have opened it up as a French restaurant or Fish Resturant called "Whits of Walmer."

 

From the http://www.bbc.co.uk By Soutik Biswas, 5 April 2018.

What a skull in an English pub says about India's 1857 mutiny.

Skull at Lord Clyde

The skull belonged to a 32-year-old Indian soldier who revolted against the British.

In 2014, while sitting in an office in London's Mile End, historian Kim Wagner received an email from a couple who said they owned a skull.

Dr Wagner, who teaches imperial history at Queen Mary University of London, says the couple told him they did not feel comfortable with the "thing" in their house, and did not know what to do with it.

The lower jaw of the skull was missing, the few remaining teeth were loose, and it had the "sepia hue of old age".

But what was remarkable was a detailed handwritten note in a neatly folded slip of paper inserted in an eye socket. The note told the brief story of the skull:

Skull of Havildar "Alum Bheg," 46th Regt. Bengal N. Infantry who was blown away from a gun, amongst several others of his Regt. He was a principal leader in the mutiny of 1857 & of a most ruffianly disposition. He took possession (at the head of a small party) of the road leading to the fort, to which place all the Europeans were hurrying for safety. His party surprised and killed Dr. Graham shooting him in his buggy by the side of his daughter. His next victim was the Rev. Mr. Hunter, a missionary, who was flying with his wife and daughters in the same direction. He murdered Mr Hunter, and his wife and daughters after being brutally treated were butchered by the road side.

Alum Bheg was about 32 years of age; 5 feet 7 inches high and by no means an ill looking native.

The skull was brought home by Captain (AR) Costello (late Capt. 7th Drag. Guards), who was on duty when Alum Bheg was executed.

Skull note

A handwritten note inserted in an eye socket told the brief story of the skull.

What was clear from the note was that the skull was of a rebel Indian soldier called Alum Bheg, who belonged to the Bengal Regiment and who was executed in 1858 by being blown from the mouth of a cannon in Sialkot (a town in Punjab province located in present-day Pakistan); and that a man who witnessed the execution brought the skull to England. The note is silent on why Bheg committed the alleged murders.

Native Hindu and Muslim soldiers, also known as sepoys, rebelled against the British East India Company in 1857 over fears that gun cartridges were greased with animal fat forbidden by their religions. The British ruled India for 200 years until the country's independence in 1947.

The couple in Essex had trawled the internet and failed to find anything about Bheg. They contacted Dr Wagner after they found his name as a historian who had authored a book on the Indian uprising, often referred to as the first war of independence.

'Grisly trophy'

On a wet November day, which was also his birthday, Dr Wagner met the couple. They told him that they had inherited the skull after one of their relatives took over a pub in Kent called the "Lord Clyde" in 1963, and found the skull stored under some old crates and boxes in a small room in the back of the building.

Nobody quite knows how the skull ended up in the pub. The local media had excitedly reported on the "nerve-shattering discovery" in 1963 and carried pictures of the new pub owners "proudly posing with the grisly trophy" before it was put up on display at the pub. When the owners died, it was finally passed on to their relatives who simply hid it away.

"And so it was I found myself standing in a small train station in Essex with a human skull in my bag. Not just any other skull but one directly related to a part of history that I write about and that I teach my students every year," says Dr Wagner.

What was very clear, he says, is that it was a "trophy skull, irrevocably linked to a narrative of violence".

But first Dr Wagner had to confirm that the skull matched the history outlined in the note, written by an unknown person. At London's Natural History Museum, an expert examined it and suggested that it dated back to the mid-19th Century; and that it definitely belonged to a male of Asian ancestry, who was possibly in his mid-30s.

The skull was discovered in a pub in Kent called the "Lord Clyde" in 1963.

There was no sign of violence, said the expert, which is not unusual in the case of execution by cannon, where the torso takes the full impact of the blast. The skull also bore cut marks from a tool, suggesting that the head was defleshed by being boiled or being left exposed to insects.

Dr Wagner says he did not believe immediately that it would be possible to find out very much more about Bheg.

Individual soldiers rarely left any traces in the colonial archives, with the possible exception of someone like Mangal Pandey, who fired the first shot at a British officer on 29 March 1857 on the outskirts of Kolkata and stirred up a wave of rebellion in India against the colonial power.

Bheg's name was not mentioned in any of the documents, reports, letters, memoirs and trial records from the period in the archives and libraries in India and UK. There were also no descendants demanding the return of the skull.

But there were a few helpful discoveries.

Dr Wagner found the letters of Bheg's alleged victims to their families. What proved crucial, he says, in piecing the story together were the letters and memoirs of an American missionary, Andrew Gordon, who lived in Sialkot during and after the uprising. He knew both Dr Graham and the Hunters - Bheg's victims - personally and he had attended the soldier's execution.

There was also a revealing report in the illustrated newspaper, The Sphere, in 1911 on a grisly exhibit in a museum in Whitehall:

The ghastly memento of the Indian Mutiny has, we are informed, just been placed in the museum of the Royal United Service Institution at Whitehall. It is a skull of a sepoy of the 49th Regiment of Bengal Infantry who was blown from the guns in 1858 with eighteen others. The skull has been converted into a cigar box as we see.

The newspaper said that "while we may be able to understand all the savagery of the terrible time - the cruelty of the natives and the cruel retribution that followed - is it not an outrage that a memento of our retribution, which in these days would not be tolerated for a moment, should be placed on exhibition in a great public institution?

Battling a famine of evidence, Dr Wagner began researching Bheg. He worked in the archives in London and Delhi, and travelled to Sialkot to locate the forgotten battlefield of the four-day Trimmu Ghat clash in July 1857 - during which the Sialkot rebels, including Bheg, were intercepted and defeated by General John Nicholson. The general was mortally wounded two months later leading the assault to recapture Delhi from the mutineers.

He relied on letters, petitions, proclamations and statements by rebels after the outbreak of the uprising, went through 19th Century newspaper databases and scanned books.

"It was only after I spent some time researching the story, in the UK and in India, that I managed to piece a historical narrative together and realised that there was a bigger story to tell," he told me.

'Detective novel'

The result is Wagner's new book, The Skull of Alum Bheg, a vivid page-turner on life and death in British India during the largest anti-colonial revolt of the 19th Century. Yasmin Khan, associate professor of history at the University of Oxford, says the book "reads like a detective novel and yet is also an important contribution to understanding British rule and the extent of colonial violence".

Dr Wagner writes that his book sets out to "restore some of the humanity and dignity that has been denied to Alum Bheg by telling the story of his life and death during one of the most dramatic episodes in the history of British India".

"I hope I have prepared the ground for Alum Bheg to finally find some peace, some 160 years late."

In Dr Wagner's telling, Alum Bheg - properly transliterated as Alim Beg - was a Sunni Muslim from northern India. The Bengal Regiment was raised in Cawnpore (now Kanpur) in today's Uttar Pradesh state, and it is likely that Bheg hailed from the region. Muslims made up around 20% of the largely Hindu regiments.

Bheg was responsible for a small detachment of soldiers, and had a gruelling routine, guarding the camp, carrying letters and working as a peon for higher officials of the regiment. After the revolt in July 1857, he appeared to have evaded the British troops until his capture and execution nearly a year later.

Resting place

Captain Costello, who was described as being present at the execution in the note, was established as Robert George Costello. Dr Wagner believes he is the man who brought the skull back to Britain. He was born in Ireland and sent to India in 1857, and retired from his commission 10 months later, boarded a steamer from India in October 1858, and reached Southampton a little more than a month later.

"The final aim of my research is to prepare for Bheg to be repatriated to India, if at all possible," Dr Wagner says.

 

LICENSEE LIST

RUSSELL Mr 1862+

BUSHELL William (56 The Strand) The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

ROMNEY William 1869-70+ The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

RUSSELL Mrs 1870+

WILSON Edward Samuel Jan/1872+ Deal Mercury

BULLEN William Thomas Jan/1872-91 dec'd (age 54 in 1881Census) Deal MercuryThe Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

PETTERS W 1898+ The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

HILSON Herbert 1900+

PEAKES William Frederick 1901

CLARKE Alfred 1903

THOMAS Henry 1903

CAVELL P E 1910-22+ Deal library 1914The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers beer house

HILSON Thomas 1923+

MONCKTON William 1924-60 (age 56 in 1939Census) Kelly's 1934

REYNOLDS Ernest 1960+ The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

JOLLY A F 1964+ The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

PICKFORD Ellen M 1972+ Library archives 1974 Fremlins

BAILEY Phil 1982-1990

TOMS Vernon 1990+ The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

LEESON John & Sue pre 2004-05 Next pub licensee had

CURD Steven 2009+Feb/10

Last pub licensee had WHITE Paul & KNIGHT Lisa Feb/2010+

http://pubshistory.com/LordClyde.shtml

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/lordclyde.html

 

Deal library 1914Deal Library List 1914

Kelly's 1934From the Kelly's Directory 1934

Library archives 1974Library archives 1974

The Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and RogersThe Old Pubs of Deal and Walmer by Glover and Rogers

CensusCensus

 

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