DOVER KENT ARCHIVES
PUB LIST   PUBLIC HOUSES Barry Smith and Paul Skelton

Earliest 1873

Orange Tree

Latest 2006

357 Folkestone Road

Orange Tree circa 1980

Above photo of Orange Tree circa 1980, photo by Barry Smith.

Orange Tree circa 1987

Orange Tree circa 1987 (Photo by Paul Skelton)

Orange Tree 2004

Orange Tree 2004.

Orange Tree 2007
Orange Tree sign 2007

Above two photos are of the Orange Tree just before closure 20 February 2006.

 

Much of the groundwork concerning this licence was performed by Brazier and Curling in the last century. Brazier could even be said to have died whilst still trying. He had some support in 1873 when the owner of the "Tradesman's Arms" on Commercial Quay offered to transfer his licence. He was not permitted to do so.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 31 August, 1877. Price 1d.

APPLICATIONS FOR NEW LICENSES

William Brazier, landlord of the "Orange Tree," of Maxton, applied for a spirit licence. Mr. W. Mowll objected, and the application was refused.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 3 September, 1886. 1d.

DOVER LICENSING SESSIONS

Mr. Vernon Knocker applied for a license to sell beer on the premises at the house of Mr. Brazier, known as “The Orange Tree,” Maxton. It was stated that there was a license for selling beer off the premises and that there were a great many applications for ale on the premises.

Mr. Lewis opposed on behalf of the inhabitants, arguing that there was already ample accommodation.

Mr. Worsfold Mowll appeared on behalf of the owner of the “Hare and Hounds Inn,” about 300 yards further on the road.

The license was refused.

Mr. George Packham, and Mr. J. W. Wells applied severally for off licenses for houses at Union Road, Buckland, but in both instances the license was refused, owing to the houses not being of sufficient value.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 25 August, 1893. 1d.

THE ORANGE TREE, MAXTON

Mr. Hills, solicitor, of Ramsgate, applied on behalf of Mr. William Curling for a license to sell ale and beer for consumption on the premises, he now having an off license. He applied for this license four years ago. At that time there were less than fifty houses at Maxton, and now there were over 100 and 14 more in the course of building. He put in a memorial in favour of the license signed by most of the inhabitants, and by Mr. Major, a principal resident.

There was non one in attendance to oppose the license.

The Bench retired to consider the matter, and on returning announced that they had resolved to refuse the license.

This concluded the proceedings at the Dover Brewster Sessions.

 

 

The 'ale' off licence was procured that year but it was 1895 before Curling got the beer 'on' licence. His application had been backed by a petition signed by ninety of the one hundred and thirteen householders in the area. Looking towards the town, 136 dwellings had materialised between here and the "Engineer" at that time. In 1889 there had been less than fifty houses at Maxton but there were a hundred by 1893. The full licence came later the same year and by then it was on outlet of Dawes, the Maxton brewer.

 

Concerning the property itself, which was always described as a newly built house in the applications, it was the opinion of one of the past licensees that two cottages had been converted. They stood well back from the road and the conversion date is put at 1890.

 

It is now a Whitbread outlet where the bars were improved by David Hanney in 1978.

 

The pub has been closed on numerous occasions, but after again opening in 2005, advertising that it was "Probably the best Pub in Dover" the pub finally closed in 2006 and is still waiting (April 2007) demolition for the building of flats on the site.

 

Orange Tree Observer 1969

EDITORIAL

It is hoped that this modest first publication of the 'Orange Tree Observer' will be but the forerunner of regular monthly issues growing in size, scope and general interest as the months pass. The intention is to include news of forthcoming social and sporting events such as Darts and Cribbage Matches, results of games played during the previous month, snippets of history of the Orange Tree and the district of Maxton and any such items as may be considered to amuse or interest those who will form the bulk of our readership. To assist this end the editor will be very grateful to receive contributions from any who have an interesting (and printable!) story to tell. Particularly welcome would be anecdotes and reminiscences from the older regulars concerning the earlier days of the pub. There is no need to compose an essay or even so much as to write it down; a chat with the editor over a pint will suffice.

Those responsible for social fixtures are also urged to give details to the editor before the last week of each month, together with team lists where applicable. With your help this may well become, to coin an atrociously punning phrase, "your very own 'local' rag."

 

WHAT'S IN A NAME!

Why Orange Tree? As far as one knows no orange tree ever grew in Maxton and very few regulars over the age of consent ever drink the juice of that otherwise blameless fruit, (the hop and the bar-Ley-mow taking precedence!) Local tradition has it that the pub was originally two cottages, in the front gardens of which grew two trees closely resembling the orange .... Hence the name. However, its use as an innsign has much earlier connections. During the reign of Charles II orange trees were one of the ornaments of St. James' Park (London) which was then, of course part of the St. James' Palace gardens. At that period and long after, orange trees were mostly used as sign boards for the Seed Shops and by Italian Merchants and were gradually adopted as inn-signs.

It is an interesting coincidence that one of the two excellent floodlit pictures in the Public Bar Gamesroom is of the lake in St. James' Park. The other picture, incidentally, is a view of the Norfolk Broads. The actual place is not named but I should imagine it to be either Wroxham or Horning.

 

LATE SUMMER BANK HOLIDAY EXTENSIONS.

The week-end which sees the publication of this issue is the new-style August Bank Holiday week-end. All topers and others in festive-mood should take note of the following extensions to the closing times. Friday, August 29th, 11 p.m. Saturday, 30th August, 11.30 p.m. Sunday, 31st August and Monday, 1st September, the normal hour of 10.30 p.m.

 

DARTS MATCHES.

Unfortunately at the time of going to press no details are available of forthcoming fixtures. These will, however, be publicized on the Notice Boards. We congratulate the team on a close-run victory in the 1st Round of the 'Fremlin's Cup (or should it now be the Whitbread's Cup, or possible the Frembread's or Whitlin's!) Excellent home and away legs were played against the "Royal Oak", River. The away match, which came first, was narrowly lost by 3 games to 2, but a 4 - 1 victory at home ensured a passage into the next round. I would like to Publish more detailed scores in future, together with the names of team members, if one of the players would kindly furnish the information. So, Peter, Jim, Mick, Pluto and Co., rake up a pen from among you and let us all share the news.

 

TONSORIAL ARTISTRY.

The Orange Tree is astonishing for the scope and variety of its services to the public. Not only is the landlord knocked-up a half an hour after midnight for five-bob's worth of coppers for a late card-school, (this actually once happened though his reaction is not reported!) but even more fundamental needs are catered for. Did you know, for example, that once every three weeks on a Thursday evening a fully qualified, top-rate barber is in attendance in the Gamesroom?

Why not make use, of this excellent service? Ask the Landlord for details. Instead of staring glumly at ancient copies of Reveille or Week-End whilst you endlessly wait your turn, why not quaff a pint or two in convivial company. Away with those feeble and time-worn excuses about taking the dog for a walk, going out to post a letter or running out of cigarettes! You can now truthfully say, "I'm just going up the road for a haircut". A likely story indeed, but you can go home with a short-back-and-sides to prove it. '''And what is that alcoholic smell?" "Oh, that's the Bay Rum, my dear."

 

MINIPOT.

At the time of going to press the Minipot has not been won for several weeks so there is now a quite healthy little sum to be won by some lucky member (or members). When it has "gone" and the next ''Pot'' opens, why not join in and try your hand at this very pleasant little Saturday lunchtime relaxation? The more members, the bigger the "pot" and the better the prizes. You need no knowledge of form or horseflesh, just a touch of Luck. The merest novice stands as much chance as the expert. Give it a go next time! The relevant notices are always to be seen under the clock in the Public Bar.

 

CLOSING DATE FOR MATERIAL FOR THE NEXT ISSUE is Sunday, 28th September.

 

OVERHEARD IN ANOTHER PUB, where a convivial company (probably a wedding party) were getting in their umpteenth round of drinks. "What do you mean, you can't manage another.... just have a Double Diamond then." "Oh no", replied a very frail and elderly man, "I'll just have a single."

Orange Tree WOT NO

WOT! Nothing in this space?

 

Let's have some material for next month please"

 

Whether or not there was another publication I haven't yet found one. (Paul Skelton.)

From the Dover Express, 21 June, 2001.

Pub plans to improve.

THE Orange Tree public house, Dover, has been taken over by a new landlord and landlady.

Chris and Dawn Ripley have moved in with their five year old twins Lauren and James, and have vowed to make much-needed improvements to the pub.

Dawn said: "We have completely refurbished the kitchen and are planning to make major changes.

"We've got a lot of work ahead of us but we are enjoying it."

The Orange Tree will hold a boot fair on Sunday July 1 and a house and garage music night on July 22.

 

From the Dover Express, 19 January, 2006.

Flats development raises crime and drugs worries.

Report by Jonathan Holden

Orange Tree 2006

PLANS to convert the Orange Tree pub into flats have been met with concerns over crime levels and drug use in the Priory area of Dover.

The police and the district council's anti-social behaviour unit have both raised safety concerns over the development.

Anti-social behaviour chief Chris Allen believes there is a "high risk" that problems with drug dealers and drug users experienced in the area five years ago could be repeated.

His warning on the Westbury Road development follows a deluge of applications to convert the area's large town houses into flats and bedsits.

In a report to the council's planning committee, he wrote: "Currently Folkestone Road and the surrounding streets give an impression of being run down.

This has the effect of encouraging those who wish to commit crime and involve themselves in anti-social behaviour.

"It is noted from this application that the flats are small and hardly indicative of an upmarket development... concern is expressed that these flats will be used for housing people in need on a temporary basis."

Mr Allen said the sheer number of applications to convert properties on or near Folkestone Road had "serious implications for the police, council, NHS and emergency services".

Kent Police have raised similar concerns and pointed to the area's recent past. They described how bed and breakfasts and small flats and bedsits "allowed drug dealing and bootlegging to flourish" at the turn of the century.

The force has asked the district council's planning committee to "carefully consider" the size and quality of the flats planned for the Orange Tree.

The issue is due to be debated this evening and councillors have been recommended to pass the application. Councillors have been told the flats largely comply with the council's' draft guidelines on conversions.

Members have also been reminded that plans to convert 126 Folkestone Road were blocked on the grounds they could affect crime; disorder and anti-social behaviour.

That application and another, which "would have seen homeless people placed in an Effingham Crescent guest house, are currently under appeal.

The town council has formally objected to the proposals, arguing there would be too many residences on the site.

The Priory Forum also opposes the plan, raising concerns about flooding and the site's poor access.

 

From the Dover Mercury, Thursday 22 April, 2010.

PUB CONVERSION.

PLANS to convert the former "Orange Tree" pub in Folkestone Road, Dover, into a house, together with a single-storey rear extension, are being considered by the district council. It is also being proposed that the garage be turned into a living room, with a rear extension and lobby being demolished.

 

From the Dover Express, 22 April, 2010.

ORANGE TREE CHANGES RAISED.

AN application is to be made to the planners at Dover District Council to convert the Orange Tree public house in Dover's Folkestone Road into a home with an extension.

 

 

LICENSEE LIST

Last pub licensee had BRAZIER William 1873-87 dec'd (off licence)

CURLING William 1887-95 Next pub licensee had Dover Express (Late in employ of Messrs Flashman and Co.)

HINKLEY John 1899-1901 (beer retailer Kelly's Directory 1899) Post Office Directory 1903

FITZGIBBON J M 1904-07 end

WARD Alfred E 1907-12 end

SARJEANT Harry 1912-36 Post Office Directory 1913(Pikes 1924 SARGENT) Pikes 1932-33

WATSON George William 1936-56+ Pikes 1938-39Pikes 48-49Kelly's Directory 1950Kelly's Directory 1953Kelly's Directory 1956

DYER John E 1964-75 dec'd Library archives 1974 Whitbread Fremlins

DYER Mrs Rene 1975-78 end

HANNEY David Edward 1978-87

RIPLEY Chris & Dawn 2001+

 

Kelly's Directory 1899From the Kelly's Directory 1899

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1901

Post Office Directory 1913From the Post Office Directory 1913

Pikes 1924From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924

Pikes 1932-33From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33

Pikes 1938-39From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39

Pikes 48-49From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49

Kelly's Directory 1950From the Kelly's Directory 1950

Kelly's Directory 1953From the Kelly's Directory 1953

Kelly's Directory 1956From the Kelly's Directory 1956

Library archives 1974Library archives 1974

 

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