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357 Folkestone Road
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Above photo of Orange Tree circa 1980, photo by Barry Smith. |
Orange Tree circa 1987 (Photo by Paul Skelton) |
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Orange Tree 2004. |
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Above two photos are of the Orange Tree just before closure 20 February
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Much of the groundwork concerning this licence was performed by Brazier
and Curling in the last century. Brazier could even be said to have died
whilst still trying. He had some support in 1873 when the owner of the
"Tradesman's Arms" on Commercial Quay offered to transfer his licence. He
was not permitted to do so.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent Intelligencer, 31
August, 1877. Price 1d.
APPLICATIONS FOR NEW LICENSES
William Brazier, landlord of the "Orange Tree," of Maxton, applied
for a spirit licence. Mr. W. Mowll objected, and the application was
refused.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 3 September, 1886. 1d.
DOVER LICENSING SESSIONS
Mr. Vernon Knocker applied for a license to sell beer on the premises at
the house of Mr. Brazier, known as “The Orange Tree,” Maxton. It was
stated that there was a license for selling beer off the premises and
that there were a great many applications for ale on the premises.
Mr. Lewis opposed on behalf of the inhabitants, arguing that there was
already ample accommodation.
Mr. Worsfold Mowll appeared on behalf of the owner of the “Hare and
Hounds Inn,” about 300 yards further on the road.
The license was refused.
Mr. George Packham, and Mr. J. W. Wells applied severally for off
licenses for houses at Union Road, Buckland, but in both instances the
license was refused, owing to the houses not being of sufficient value.
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From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 25 August, 1893. 1d.
THE ORANGE TREE, MAXTON
Mr. Hills, solicitor, of Ramsgate, applied on behalf of Mr. William
Curling for a license to sell ale and beer for consumption on the
premises, he now having an off license. He applied for this license four
years ago. At that time there were less than fifty houses at Maxton, and
now there were over 100 and 14 more in the course of building. He put in
a memorial in favour of the license signed by most of the inhabitants,
and by Mr. Major, a principal resident.
There was non one in attendance to oppose the license.
The Bench retired to consider the matter, and on returning announced
that they had resolved to refuse the license.
This concluded the proceedings at the Dover Brewster Sessions.
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The 'ale' off licence was procured that year but
it was 1895 before Curling got the beer 'on' licence. His application had
been backed by a petition signed by ninety of the one hundred and thirteen
householders in the area. Looking towards the town, 136 dwellings had
materialised between here and the "Engineer" at that time. In 1889 there had
been less than fifty houses at Maxton but there were a hundred by 1893. The
full licence came later the same year and by then it was on outlet of Dawes,
the Maxton brewer.
Concerning the property itself, which was always described as a newly
built house in the applications, it was the opinion of one of the past
licensees that two cottages had been converted. They stood well back from
the road and the conversion date is put at 1890.
It is now a Whitbread outlet where the bars were improved by David Hanney
in 1978.
The pub has been closed on numerous occasions, but after again opening in
2005, advertising that it was "Probably the best Pub in Dover" the pub
finally closed in 2006 and is still waiting (April 2007) demolition for
the building of flats on the site.
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EDITORIAL
It is hoped that this modest first publication of the 'Orange Tree
Observer' will be but the forerunner of regular monthly issues growing
in size, scope and general interest as the months pass. The intention is
to include news of forthcoming social and sporting events such as Darts
and Cribbage Matches, results of games played during the previous month,
snippets of history of the Orange Tree and the district of Maxton and
any such items as may be considered to amuse or interest those who will
form the bulk of our readership. To assist this end the editor will be
very grateful to receive contributions from any who have an interesting
(and printable!) story to tell. Particularly welcome would be anecdotes
and reminiscences from the older regulars concerning the earlier days of
the pub. There is no need to compose an essay or even so much as to
write it down; a chat with the editor over a pint will suffice.
Those responsible for social fixtures are also urged to give details to
the editor before the last week of each month, together with team lists
where applicable. With your help this may well become, to coin an
atrociously punning phrase, "your very own 'local' rag."
WHAT'S IN A NAME!
Why Orange Tree? As far as one knows no orange tree ever grew in Maxton
and very few regulars over the age of consent ever drink the juice of
that otherwise blameless fruit, (the hop and the bar-Ley-mow taking
precedence!) Local tradition has it that the pub was originally two
cottages, in the front gardens of which grew two trees closely
resembling the orange .... Hence the name. However, its use as an
innsign has much earlier connections. During the reign of Charles II
orange trees were one of the ornaments of St. James' Park (London) which
was then, of course part of the St. James' Palace gardens. At that
period and long after, orange trees were mostly used as sign boards for
the Seed Shops and by Italian Merchants and were gradually adopted as
inn-signs.
It is an interesting coincidence that one of the two excellent floodlit
pictures in the Public Bar Gamesroom is of the lake in St. James' Park.
The other picture, incidentally, is a view of the Norfolk Broads. The
actual place is not named but I should imagine it to be either Wroxham
or Horning.
LATE SUMMER BANK HOLIDAY EXTENSIONS.
The week-end which sees the publication of this issue is the new-style
August Bank Holiday week-end. All topers and others in festive-mood
should take note of the following extensions to the closing times.
Friday, August 29th, 11 p.m. Saturday, 30th August, 11.30 p.m. Sunday,
31st August and Monday, 1st September, the normal hour of 10.30 p.m.
DARTS MATCHES.
Unfortunately at the time of going to press no details are available of
forthcoming fixtures. These will, however, be publicized on the Notice
Boards. We congratulate the team on a close-run victory in the 1st Round
of the 'Fremlin's Cup (or should it now be the Whitbread's Cup, or
possible the Frembread's or Whitlin's!) Excellent home and away legs
were played against the "Royal Oak", River. The away match, which came
first, was narrowly lost by 3 games to 2, but a 4 - 1 victory at home
ensured a passage into the next round. I would like to Publish more
detailed scores in future, together with the names of team members, if
one of the players would kindly furnish the information. So, Peter, Jim,
Mick, Pluto and Co., rake up a pen from among you and let us all share
the news.
TONSORIAL ARTISTRY.
The Orange Tree is astonishing for the scope and variety of its services
to the public. Not only is the landlord knocked-up a half an hour after
midnight for five-bob's worth of coppers for a late card-school, (this
actually once happened though his reaction is not reported!) but even
more fundamental needs are catered for. Did you know, for example, that
once every three weeks on a Thursday evening a fully qualified, top-rate
barber is in attendance in the Gamesroom?
Why not make use, of this excellent service? Ask the Landlord for
details. Instead of staring glumly at ancient copies of Reveille or
Week-End whilst you endlessly wait your turn, why not quaff a pint or
two in convivial company. Away with those feeble and time-worn excuses
about taking the dog for a walk, going out to post a letter or running
out of cigarettes! You can now truthfully say, "I'm just going up the
road for a haircut". A likely story indeed, but you can go home with a
short-back-and-sides to prove it. '''And what is that alcoholic smell?"
"Oh, that's the Bay Rum, my dear."
MINIPOT.
At the time of going to press the Minipot has not been won for several
weeks so there is now a quite healthy little sum to be won by some lucky
member (or members). When it has "gone" and the next ''Pot'' opens, why
not join in and try your hand at this very pleasant little Saturday
lunchtime relaxation? The more members, the bigger the "pot" and the
better the prizes. You need no knowledge of form or horseflesh, just a
touch of Luck. The merest novice stands as much chance as the expert.
Give it a go next time! The relevant notices are always to be seen under
the clock in the Public Bar.
CLOSING DATE FOR MATERIAL FOR THE NEXT ISSUE is Sunday, 28th September.
OVERHEARD IN ANOTHER PUB, where a convivial company (probably a wedding
party) were getting in their umpteenth round of drinks. "What do you
mean, you can't manage another.... just have a Double Diamond then." "Oh
no", replied a very frail and elderly man, "I'll just have a single."
WOT! Nothing in this space?
Let's have some material for next month please"
Whether or not there was another publication I haven't yet found
one. (Paul Skelton.)
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From the Dover Express, 21 June, 2001.
Pub plans to improve.
THE Orange Tree public house, Dover, has been taken over by a new
landlord and landlady.
Chris and Dawn Ripley have moved in with their five year old twins
Lauren and James, and have vowed to make much-needed improvements to the
pub.
Dawn said: "We have completely refurbished the kitchen and are
planning to make major changes.
"We've got a lot of work ahead of us but we are enjoying it."
The Orange Tree will hold a boot fair on Sunday July 1 and a house
and garage music night on July 22.
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From the Dover Express, 19 January, 2006.
Flats development raises crime and drugs worries.
Report by Jonathan Holden
PLANS to convert the Orange Tree pub into flats have been met with
concerns over crime levels and drug use in the Priory area of Dover.
The police and the district council's anti-social behaviour unit have
both raised safety concerns over the development.
Anti-social behaviour chief Chris Allen believes there is a "high
risk" that problems with drug dealers and drug users experienced in the
area five years ago could be repeated.
His warning on the Westbury Road development follows a deluge of
applications to convert the area's large town houses into flats and
bedsits.
In a report to the council's planning committee, he wrote: "Currently
Folkestone Road and the surrounding streets give an impression of being
run down.
This has the effect of encouraging those who wish to commit crime and
involve themselves in anti-social behaviour.
"It is noted from this application that the flats are small and
hardly indicative of an upmarket development... concern is expressed
that these flats will be used for housing people in need on a temporary
basis."
Mr Allen said the sheer number of applications to convert properties
on or near Folkestone Road had "serious implications for the police,
council, NHS and emergency services".
Kent Police have raised similar concerns and pointed to the area's
recent past. They described how bed and breakfasts and small flats and
bedsits "allowed drug dealing and bootlegging to flourish" at the turn
of the century.
The force has asked the district council's planning committee to
"carefully consider" the size and quality of the flats planned for the
Orange Tree.
The issue is due to be debated this evening and councillors have been
recommended to pass the application. Councillors have been told the
flats largely comply with the council's' draft guidelines on
conversions.
Members have also been reminded that plans to convert 126 Folkestone
Road were blocked on the grounds they could affect crime; disorder and
anti-social behaviour.
That application and another, which "would have seen homeless people
placed in an Effingham Crescent guest house, are currently under appeal.
The town council has formally objected to the proposals, arguing
there would be too many residences on the site.
The Priory Forum also opposes the plan, raising concerns about
flooding and the site's poor access.
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From the Dover Mercury, Thursday 22 April, 2010.
PUB CONVERSION.
PLANS to convert the former "Orange Tree" pub in Folkestone Road,
Dover, into a house, together with a single-storey rear extension, are
being considered by the district council. It is also being proposed that
the garage be turned into a living room, with a rear extension and lobby
being demolished.
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From the Dover Express, 22 April, 2010.
ORANGE TREE CHANGES RAISED.
AN application is to be made to the planners at Dover District Council
to convert the Orange Tree public house in Dover's Folkestone Road into
a home with an extension.
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LICENSEE LIST
BRAZIER William 1873-87 dec'd (off
licence)
CURLING William 1887-95
(Late in
employ of Messrs Flashman and Co.)
HINKLEY John 1899-1901 (beer retailer
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FITZGIBBON J M 1904-07 end
WARD Alfred E 1907-12 end
SARJEANT Harry 1912-36
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SARGENT)

WATSON George William 1936-56+
    
DYER John E 1964-75 dec'd
Whitbread Fremlins
DYER Mrs Rene 1975-78 end
HANNEY David Edward 1978-87
RIPLEY Chris & Dawn 2001+
From the Kelly's Directory 1899
From the Post Office Directory 1901
From the Post Office Directory 1913
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39
From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1948-49
From the Kelly's Directory 1950
From the Kelly's Directory 1953
From the Kelly's Directory 1956
Library
archives 1974
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