18 Short Street
190a Middle Street 1878
Found in the Pigot's directory of 1828 and 1840, and not to be
confused for the "Lord Nelson," Walmer, as this was also mentioned in the
I am led to believe that this pub changed name and shortly after 1865 it was
the "Clarendon Tap" and later still in 1896
to the "Old Victory Inn." By 1861 it
was being referred to as simply the "Nelson Beerhouse," but this might just
have been the colloquial term of endearment for the premises.
I have reference to the pub "not being licensed in 1857 or
afterwards as an alehouse," although the Deal Licensing Records of 1869 show
it as a beerhouse again and then a long jump to 1903 when it is again
mentioned as a beerhouse
and that is the last year I see mention of it under this name. However, the
mention of the name after 1861 must refer to the "Lord
Nelson" in Walmer as I am pretty certain the pub changed name to the "Clarendon
Tap" between 1861 and 1874.
From the Deal, Walmer & Sandwich Telegram, 21 July 1858.
Saturday July 17th 1858
Before W. Netherside and S. Pritchard Esq.
Mrs. Cooper, wife of Edward Cooper, landlord of the "Lord Nelson," 18
Short Street, appeared in custody having been given in charge of the
police on the previous evening about ten o'clock, for committing an
assault upon her husband by striking him on the head with a Ginger-beer
bottle. Complainant did not appear, to prosecute, and was consequently
sent for by the magistrates, who acknowledged him upon the frequency of
such cases at his house, this being the third time in which himself and
wife had appeared at the court under similar circumstances, and said
that on a reoccurrence of such conduct, both parties should be
committed to prison and the licence of the house suspended. Fined 2s.
From the Deal, Walmer & Sandwich Telegram, 17
Mrs. Cooper complained of ill-usage by her husband, Edward Cooper.
Both parties agreed to separate.
From the Deal, Walmer & Sandwich Telegram, 30 March 1861.
E Beazley, landlord of the "Lord Nelson," beerhouse in Short Street
charged with ill-treating his wife.
From the Deal, Walmer & Sandwich Mercury, 22
John Saunders was brought to the bar charged with stealing from the
person of John Roy the sum of 18s.
John Roy deposed - I am a labourer, and live in Deal. On Sunday
evening, about half-past 5 o'clock, I met the prisoner near
Queen-street, and asked him if he would like to have a pint of beer. He
said "Yes." We went to the "Nelson," where we had 4 or 5 pints of beer,
and I paid for it. We left there about midnight, and went along
Beach-street, towards the south-end drain, in company together. We both
laid down near the drain, and I went to sleep. About 1 o'clock I was
awakened by feeling the prisoner's hand in my pocket. He then ran away,
and I found I had been robbed. I know I had four half-crowns, and eight
shillings in silver. I followed and overtook him on Prospect-place. I
told him he had taken 16 shillings from me, when he said he would kill
me, and took out a knife. I called out "Police" and ran away up
Beach-street. I went to sleep under a boat till about 4 o'clock, when
Police-constable Spicer awoke me, and I told him I had been robbed. When
I offered to treat the prisoner he told me he had no money. - At this
stage of the proceedings it was elicited from the prosecutor that he had
been drinking the whole of the day, and consequently must have been
stupid. - It was stated by persons present that prisoner had shown 3
sovereigns on Friday to a landlady of a beer-house, and on Saturday a
landlord saw 2 sovereigns and a half in his possession.
P.C. Henry George Spicer deposed - While on duty Saturday night,
about 11 o'clock, I saw the prisoner and Roy drinking together at the
bar of the "New Inn." They came out, and
turned to the south, then turned back, the prisoner again enters the "New
Inn," but the landlord turned him out. They next went in a northerly
direction; I followed them, and went to fetch my lantern. On my return I
met Sergeant Carvill, and while we were standing near the "Black
Horse" we heard cries of "Police." It was the a quarter to one. We
went in the direction of the cries, but could ascertain nothing until a
quarter to four, when I found Roy asleep under a boat near the Pier.
John Garnet, landlord of the "Nelson" beer house deposed - Roy was in
and out of my house on Friday, Saturday and Sunday several times. About
a quarter to ten on Sunday night Roy and the prisoner came in together.
Saunders fetched 3 pints of beer, and paid for it, and Roy engaged a bed
for the two, for which he paid 8d. When I was in bed they began to run
about the house, and wanted some more beer. I got up, gave Roy the 8d.
back, and turned them out of the house. It might have been a few minutes
past 11 o'clock. I saw Roy's hand, when he left, a half-sovereign and
about 7s. or 8s. in silver. Roy was drunk and Saunders was sober.
John Dorman Warman deposed - I am head Constable of Sandwich. Having
received information from Sergeant Cavell, who had traced the prisoner
from Deal to Sandwich, I went in search, and found him in a
public-house named the "Richborough
Castle," when I charged him with highway robbery. I searched and
found on him 4 half-crowns, 1 shilling, some coppers, and a purse, which
I now produce. The coppers were in the purse, and the silver loose in
In defence, Saunders said that when he left Roy he was asleep by the
side of the drain, and he went on his way to Sandwich.
The prisoner was committed to take his trial at the next Quarter
From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
29 May, 1869. 1d.
DRINK AND DEBAUCHERY
Elizabeth Ellis, 25, and Louisa Wanstall, prostitutes, were charged,
the former with stealing nine sovereign from the person of Daniel
Ratcliff, at the "Lord Nelson," beer-shop, Short Street, on Saturday
last; and the latter with receiving part of the same knowing it to have
been stolen. (Before the evidence was formally taken the prosecutor
stated the facts of the case to the Bench, and they thereupon directed
that the landlord of the "Lord Nelson," who was present in Court as a
spectator, should be placed alongside the other two prisoners, they
considered that he was also guilty.)
Daniel Ratcliff, a grey-headed old man apparently close upon 70 years
of age, having been sworn, deposed as follows: I am a labourer and live
at Walmer. On Saturday afternoon last, about two o'clock, I went into
the "Lord Nelson," public-house, in Short Street, Deal, to have some
beer. I went into the tap room, and sat down and ordered some beer which
was brought me. At that time the landlord's wife and these two girls
were in the room, and one of the latter, viz., Ellis, was scrubbing the
floor. She got up, however, and came and sat down by me and kept with me
all the afternoon and evening drinking beer, the other girl occasionally
having a glass with us. At the time I went into the house I had nine
sovereigns tied up in a piece of blue rag in one of my trousers'
pockets, and another sovereign and some silver in a purse in the other
pocket. I paid for the beer as we had it, and in the course of the
evening changed a sovereign of the landlord. I did not know that at the
time, but he told me so afterwards. About half-past ten o'clock I and
the prisoner Ellis went upstairs. When I went to bed I put my trousers
under my head. After I had been in bed some time I was awoke by some one
who turned out to be the landlord, Henry Blyth. He said to me, "Get up;
these young women are going for a walk, and want you to go with them,"
and I then saw the heads of two women going downstairs. I then missed my
trousers from under my head, and said to the landlord who was standing
by the bed, "I can't find my trousers," and he said, "There they are at
the bottom of the bed." I then got them and dressed, and followed the
landlord downstairs. On getting down I found him standing at the front
door with it open. I asked him where the girls were, and he said, "Down
the corner getting some spirits, as I do not sell any." Directly I got
hold of my trousers I missed my money, and told the landlord, who
replied, "Money gone" get up and go downstairs." On going out into the
street after the girls I did not find them, but afterwards met a man who
told me that the girls lodged at the "Lord Nelson," and said I had
better go back. I did go back, and called to the landlord who told me to
go home and stop till this morrow. I went away again, and afterwards met
a policeman, and he and I and the Superintendent of Police afterwards
went back to the "Lord Nelson." After we got upstairs Supt. Parker
turned the bed about in which I and Ellis had been. I also saw the
Superintendent search another bed in the same room, and find a
handkerchief, but I did not know what was in it. I then left. I have
never known the prisoner before, and never previously been in the house.
The Magistrates expressed surprise that a man in prosecutor's
circumstances should have so large a sum on his person, when Ratcliff
remarked that he had carried it "over since the election."
Cross-examined by Ellis: We went out a little while in the afternoon
and called in at the "Alma." I left you
there while I went to my son-in-law's to tea, and called for you again,
when we both went back to the public-house and had more beer.
By the Court: I was all right then, and my money was in my pocket - I
felt it there. I kept feeling to see that it was all right during the
afternoon. I put my trousers under my head when I went to bed. I don't
know how long after that it was before I was awoke, nor can I say
whether there was any light in the room or not. I gave the girl 1s. when
we went upstairs, and I took it from my purse I had in my other pocket.
I had arranged to stay all night, and I paid the landlord 1s. 6d. for
the use of the room for the whole night.
By Ellis: I came into the "Alma"
with my son-in-law.
By the Court: They went in with me to where the girl was. Before I
left the girl there whilst I went to tea I told her to have what she
liked, and I paid for some brandy-and-water for her. We (I and my
sons-in-law) afterwards drank with her, but I don't recollect that I
drank any brandy in the "Alma." I don't
know what I paid for. I was not drunk at that time. My sons left me at
the "Alma" with the girl.
By Ellis: I think it's very likely I paid 2s. for brandy for you. I
don't recollect giving you 3s. 6d. after we got upstairs. I was drunk
then certainly, or i should not have been there.
by the Court: I don't remember where I put my watch when I undressed.
I had last seen the money that afternoon before I left home, as i then
took one sovereign out and put it in a purse, as I thought I might want
to use it. I had got holiday that afternoon instead of the previous
By Wanstall: I don't remember you bringing up a pint of beer after I
an Ellis had got upstairs. I will swear that I saw two females' heads
going down stairs, but I can't say you were one of them.
By Blyth: I asked you where my trousers were as soon as I woke, and
what you said was, "Oh, you will find your trousers somewhere about."
The landlord in answer to the Bench admitted that he let the room to
the girl Ellis and the prosecutor for the night, and further said that
shortly after they had been upstairs the girl Ellis wanted to leave the
house to get some spirits, and he woke the prosecutor to go with her as
they had been together all the afternoon and he thought it best for him
to go with her. They had six or eight quarts of beer after they got
upstairs and about the same quantity before they went up.
Supt. Parker said: I saw the prosecutor at the police-station about a
quarter past one on Sunday morning in company with P.C. Romney. He told
me he had been robbed of his money and watch, and wanted to see his
sons-in-law, but I could not make much of him as he appeared to be very
stupid and seemed as if he had recently been awoke from a drunken sleep.
I went to each one of his son's and afterwards went with them and P.C.
Romney to the "Lord nelson," beer-shop.
We knocked the landlord up and he came and let us in. I told him what
I wanted and he said "It's a bad job, but I know nothing about it." he
showed me to the bedrooms where he said Ratcliff and Ellis had slept. I
examined the bed and on it I found the watch, knife, and spectacles, and
the spectacle-case produced. They were lying just underneath the hedge
of the pillow. By the side of the bed I picked up this bit of blue
handkerchief now produced. I found nothing more there. There was another
bed in the room which was occupied by the prisoner Wanstall and a man,
both of whom were apparently asleep. I woken them and they afterwards
got up. I then searched that bed also and on the sacking bottom under
the bed, I found this white handkerchief and in it I found tied up in
one corner, one sovereign, and in another corner two sovereigns, three
sixpences and four pence. I asked whose it was and Wanstall said, "It's
mine, and you have no business with it." She kept on grumbling while I
continued the search and said the money had been given to her by a
countryman. She also said "I did not rob the man (pointing at Ratcliff);
it was the other girl who robbed him, and she gave me the two
sovereigns." She did not say who "the other girl" was and on my asking
her her name she said she did not know. I then charged her with
receiving the money knowing it to have been stolen and she then dressed
herself. Ellis was not there. Wanstall afterwards said to me "When the
other girl went downstairs and went out of the door she dropped some
money and I called her and said, "You have dropped some money," to which
she replied. "____ the money. I want to be off." I then went and looked
and found two sovereigns near the door.
By Wanstall: I do not know whether you were "drunky" when I awoke
you, but I think you were a little confused. I will swear most
positively that you did say upstairs the other girl robbed the man, and
gave you the money.
P.C. Pain said: I went in search of the prisoner Ellis fro
information I received, and found her singing and dancing in West
Street, about eight o'clock yesterday morning. I walked to her and took
hold of her by the arm and got her to go with me on the plea of getting
some beer. She went very well till we got to St. George's Place when she
became suspicious and wanted to know who I was. I then told her I was a
police constable i plain clothes and charged her on suspicion of
stealing some money from a name named Ratcliff. She said she was worth
seven sovereigns which her father had sent her, she was going on a spree
and should spend the lot. She said she had got the money in her left
hand. I then took her to the station-house and there opened her hand,
but found there were only two shillings and two sixpences. Whilst Mrs.
Parker was searching her I heard Ellis say she had got seven sovereigns,
but the master had got them to take care of till the morning. I then
went away and left the Supt. still there.
Cross-examined by Ellis: You were very drunk.
Mr. W. Kelsey was next sworn and deposed as follows: I keep the "Alma
Tavern," West Street, and this old gentleman (the prosecutor) has
been in the habit of occasionally coming to my house. He came here about
5 or 6 o'clock on Saturday afternoon last in company with the girl
Ellis. He went out again shortly after leaving Ellis in the house and
told me to give her some brandy-and-water and that she was to wait there
till he came back. He returned in about an hour's time with his two
son's-in-law, and they all three went into the room and stayed there
with the girl till about eight o'clock. During that time they drank four
glasses of brandy-and-water and six quarts of beer, but one quart was
not quite finished when they left. Before Ratcliff came back one of his
sons came in and asked me if the old man was there, and I told him he
was not, but that a girl he was with was in the other room. He went in
and spoke to her, but I do not think she knew who he was. I went in the
room whilst he was talking to her, I heard her tell him the old man had
spent about £1 at the house where they came from and that she saw he had
got eight or nine sovereigns left. About either o'clock one of the
sons left, and the other three were left behind. The son afterwards came
back, and between seven and eight the girl and the old man left. I told
the two sons what the girl had said about the money, and wanted them to
go after the old man, but they would not. I said he was sure to lose his
money, and again wanted them to go after him, but they would not.
Supt. Parker, re-called: When the prisoner Ellis was brought to the
station-house by P.C. pain she was very drunk and violent. She was put
into the women's ward, and I then called my wife to search her. Whilst
this was being done I heard her say that she had not got any money about
her, but she had got seven sovereigns at the "dust-hole," where she
lodged. I haven't heard the "Lord Nelson" spoken of before as the
"dust-hole," and I perfectly well understood where she meant. She also
said the master had got the money.
The prisoners were then cautioned in the usual way, when they each
replied that they had nothing to say. They were then committed for trial
at the next Quarter Sessions, and informed that bail would be accepted,
but two sureties of £10 each would be required, and themselves in the
Wanstall (laughing): We are sure to get it.
Bail was subsequently found for Blyth, but the others have been
removed to Sandwich.
From the Deal, Walmer, and Sandwich Mercury,
3 July, 1869. 1d.
DEAL QUARTER SESSIONS
The Quarter Sessions for this borough were held yesterday (Friday)
before John Deedes, Esq., Recorder, the following Justices being also
present:- The Mayor, R. Hazell, and J. Iggulden Esqrs. Theer was only
one case for hearing, in which two women of the town named Elizabeth
Ellis, 25, and Louisa Wanstall, and Henry Blyth, landlord of the "Lord
Nelson" beershop, were charged with having on the 22nd of May, stolen
£9, the property of Daniel Ratcliff. The grand jury, of which Mr. W. J.
R. Austen was chosen foreman, having been empanelled, and addressed by
the learned Recorder, they were discharged to their duties. After an
absence of one hour and five minutes the grand jury returned into court
with a true bill against Ellis only, who was then arraigned on the
charge stated. Mr. Thompson was chosen foreman of the petty jury. The
prosecutor was then placed in the witness-box, but his evidence was
merely a repetition of that given before the Magistrates, and which
appeared in these columns at the time. The evidence of the other witness
was also precisely similar to that previously given. The prisoner had no
defence to make and no witnesses to call, and the learned Recorder
having summed up, the jury retired for about seven minutes, when they
returned with a verdict of not guilty, and the prisoner was dismissed
with a few words of suitable advice from the Recorder. Mr. Mourilyan was
in attendance to defend the prisoner Blyth, who, before being
discharged, was reprimanded by the Recorder for the manner in which he
conducted his house.
I have also been informed that the earliest date someone has evidence of
this pub operating being 1820. 1878 saw a renumbering and naming of the
street to 190a Middle Street and yet again in 1908 being renumbered to 38
Middle Street, but by then under a different name.
Regarding the renumbering of Middle Street, Deal. The numbers went
consecutively along one side of the road and then back down the other.
Nobody is certain when the renumbering took place for definite but seems to
be finished by 1898. It ended up being odd numbers on one side of the road
and even on the other. (Patricia Streater.)
HOLNESS John 1823-47+
COOPER Edward 1858+
BEAZLEY E 1861+
BLYTH Henry 1869+
GARNET John 1865+
WHITE Mr H S to Feb/1873
SELTH Mr T Feb/1873+
By 1874 the pub was called the "Clarendon
From the Pigot's Directory 1823
From the Pigot's Directory 1824
From the Pigot's Directory 1828-29
From the Pigot's Directory 1832-33-34
From the Pigot's Directory 1839
From the Pigot's Directory 1840
From Bagshaw Directory 1847
Library archives 1974
From the Deal Telegram
From the Deal
Walmer & Sandwich Mercury
Deal Licensing Register