Page Updated:- Sunday, 07 March, 2021.


Earliest Apr 2009

(Name from)

Grape and Grain

Closed 5 Nov 2017

2 Anerley Hill

Crystal Palace

Grape and Grain 2017

Above photo 2017.

Grape and Grain 2018

Above photo circa 2017.

Grape and Grain sign 2017

Above sign 2017.


The Grape and Grain closed on the 5th November 2017. The freehold was acquired by J. D. Wetherspoon, who then applied for planning permission to redevelop the public house including an extension, roof garden and upgraded facilities. The application was approved, subject to conditions in May 2019. Further details to follow.


From the  By Craig Simpson, 21 October 2017.

A much-loved Crystal Palace pub has been given the 'sad news' that it is set to close on its busiest night of the year.

November 5 will be the final day of trading for the pub on the Palace Triangle.

Grape and Grain 2017

The Grape and Grain.

A much-loved Crystal Palace pub is set to close on its busiest night of the year as time is finally called for the Grape and Grain.

The local which forged a reputation as a must-visit venue for live music lovers has delivered the “sad news” that it will join the growing numbers of “dying” pubs across the country.

Lack of investment and mounting losses were given as reasons for the demise of the drinking spot on Anerley Hill.

It will close just weeks after loyal locals rallied round to show their support for the flagging pub.

But it is expected to go out with a bang on its most successful time of the year as hundreds are expected through doors on Bonfire Night.

John Grover 2017

John Grover runs the pub with his wife Heather.

John, 65, said: “We’re going to be closing on November 5 – usually our busiest night of the year.

“It’s really sad news. Pubs in general are in trouble. They’re dying.

“I come from a pub culture, but that doesn’t seem to be around anymore.”

The Grape and Grain held a gathering on October 18 where Crystal Palace locals passionate about the live-music venue rallied to drink in support of their favourite boozer.

Comedian Mark Steel was drinking at the pub with dozens of others, lamenting the lack of investment in the drinking spot which is owned by Wetherpoons but run independently.

He said: “It has the best beer in the Palace. It’s a great spot, and so community-orientated.

“But maybe it should just be left derelict, eh? Maybe that would be better, just boarding it up like so many others.”

The pub was celebrated by its passionate patrons for being a hub for community, offering music and entertainment almost every night.

Wetherspoons have said that they wanted to invest in the pub but were hampered by lack of planning permission for expansion plans from Bromley Borough Council. The council has not offered comment.

Since the announcement of closure, a spokesman for Wetherspoons has said the pub chain “cannot comment further”.

Those running the pub have said much-needed investment has dried up while the pub remained in a planning limbo.

Heather Grover, who runs the pub with her husband, said: “We came here four years ago and we’ve really been welcomed into the community.

“We used to be busy every night. We’d have a big Jazz band, blues, a quiz night – every night there was something.

“There would be a great crowd that came here, but with all the uncertainty it became hard to book acts.

“We’ve seen the numbers die off and the business go.

"Staff didn’t know how long they would have a job for, so kitchen staff left, although we still do a proper roast.

“This place needed certainty, and it needed investment. Every few years a pub needs to have money spent on it.

“We haven’t got that.”

The pub opened its doors to all local people, offering local chefs a place to cook their food, environmental groups to grow hops and other crops, and providing a place for community groups to meet.

Crystal Palace resident Ruth Bannister was present with a crowd of other locals on October 18.

She said: “You get such a mix of people here, people from all walks of life come together and have a good time.

“It’s so welcoming. It’s one big community.

“You can get you bars and your gastro-pubs anywhere, but this is a proper local pub.

“It has fantastic live music and that’s another thing which comes under threat when places like this close.

“It’s been in limbo. We just want to save the pub, it deserves to be successful, and John and Heather deserve something back after what they have put into the community.”


Also at one time operating under the name of the "Sportsman," "Jack's Beard at the Palace," "Crystal Palace Tavern," and the "Occasional Half," unfortunately at present dates of names and changes unknown. Local knowledge and photographs appreciated.


From the, By Tom Bull, 1st February, 2018.

New Wetherspoons pub with great views over Crystal Palace Park could be opening.

Wetherspoons has plans for Grape and Grain pub in Crystal Palace.

New Grape and Grain

A closed and rundown boozer in Crystal Palace could soon reopen as a Wetherspoons overlooking the park.

The popular pub chain has submitted plans to refurbish and reopen the Grape and Grain in Westow Hill, three months after the Georgian-style bar closed its doors.

Wetherspoons has put its plans to Bromley Council, proposing a three-storey pub complete with a terrace overlooking Crystal Palace Park and and a beer garden.

The chain said in a statement: “The proposal will re open and revitalise a pub in a prominent position in Crystal palace.

Proposed Grape and Grain

“By extensively extending the pub, the extension will fill an unsightly gap in the street frontage left by a bombing in WW2. Is believed to be a positive step for the site and the area as whole.”

The boozer would be extended to fill a gap left in Church Road, and offer three floors of pub space, with a terrace overlooking Crystal Palace Park on the third storey.

Some concerns have been raised that the pub would be too high, but Wetherspoons said the idea of a terrace proved popular during consultations about bringing the site back to life.

Pub enthusiasts have been quick to support the new proposals, commenting: “The roof terrace is very welcome and could in fact be bigger to take advantage of the spectacular views from what is after all the highest point in south London.”

Another said: “I am delighted to see these are tasteful plans to replace the Grape and Grain and improve the area rather than detract from it. I am also very pleased to see the addition of the roof terrace.”

One excited resident said: “This looks to be a really well thought through design and would be an excellent addition to the triangle. I am in full support of the development proposals!”

And another: “The pub site is very rundown at the moment and quite an eyesore. The plans to extend it round the corner and add above it makes it look much grander and will really make a difference to that corner of the triangle.”

Wetherspoons submitted its plans this week. Officers at the council will consider the next steps in the coming months.



GROVER John 2013-5/Nov/2017


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