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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1814-

(Name from)

Brown Jug

Closed Jan 2019

204 Ramsgate Road

Dumpton

Broadstairs

https://whatpub.com/brown-jug

Brown Jug 1890

Above photo, circa 1890, kindly sent by Rory Kehoe.

Brown Jug

Above postcard, date unknown.

Brown Jug 1903

Above photo, circa 1903, kindly sent by Rory Kehoe.

Brown Jug

Above photo, date unknown.

Brown Jug

Above photo, date unknown.

Brown Jug 2004

Above photo kindly sent by Chris Excell, 2 October, 2004.

Brown Jug

Above photo taken with permission from Saunders family web.

Brown Jug sign 1991

Above sign, October 1991.

With thanks from Brian Curtis www.innsignsociety.com.

Brown Jug 2017

Above photo, February 2017. Photo by Dan Thomsett.

 

Reputedly this pub started life in the late 18th century as the "Queen's Arms Tap" and was first known as the "Brown Jug" circa 1814.

It is said that one licensee owned a three-legged pig that was much photographed during its time.

 

Above photo showing the three legged pig, circa 1923, kindly sent by Rory Kehoe.

Brown Jug three legged pig 1924

Above photo showing the three legged pig, circa 1924, kindly sent by Rory Kehoe.

Brown Jug three legged pig

Above photo 1925, kindly sent by Rory Kehoe stating "Three legged pig to be seen alive at the Brown Jug, Dumpton, near Ramsgate.

 

A Brown Jug also used to stand over the porch, but was removed and the theft blamed on servicemen of Transatlantic origin, so Michael Mirams says, but this rumour has been unproved.

One time Cobbs tied house. Cobbs were founded in 1673, but Whitbread took them over early 1968 and closed the brewery later that year.

 

Kentish Gazette 24 July 1838.

DOVER SESSIONS.

George Oldfield, charged with stealing a well-rope from the "Brown Jug," at Dumpton, St. Peter's, the property of Stephen Page, acquitted. One of the witnesses, named Ovenden, who prevaricated in his evidence, from the deposition he had previously made before the magistrates, was committed.

 

South Eastern Gazette 9 December 1845.

MARGATE. - PETTY SESSIONS, WEDNESDAY.

Mr. Thomas Bourne, landlord of the "Brown Jug," Dumpton, in the parish of St. Peter's, was charged on information of three constables of the parish, with having his house open and persons therein during divine service.

John Bristow deposed:- I am a constable, and received instructions from sub-deputy Barwick to assist in searching public-houses. On Sunday Nov. 23, with Mr. Barwick and Thomas Stevens, I proceeded to the "Brown Jug." When we arrived there it was half-past twelve o'clock. Found the door open. I went into the tap-room and found six persons there.

This evidence was corroborated by the other constables.

Convicted in the penalty of 2 10s., with costs amounting to 3 4s. 6d. Allowed one week to pay and in default of payment 3 weeks imprisonment.

 

From Kentish Gazette 12 January 1858.

POLICE COURT.

On Wednesday morning Thomas Simmonds, of St. Lawrence, was brought before G. E. Hannam, Esq., on a charge of having assaulted police constable Headley, of the county constabulary, who it appeared had been called in to clear the "Brown Jug," at Dumpton, on "boxing-day," when defendant thought to measure length with the constable, and taking him off his guard, he threw him along. The prisoner pleaded guilty and in consideration of his contribution, was fined only 5s. and 10s. costs.

 

From South Eastern Gazette 18 May 1858.

SUPPOSED DEATH FROM A BLOW.

An inquest was held yesterday week, before R. J. Emmerson, Esq., coroner, on the body of Richard Penny, a boatman. The proceedings created a great deal of interest, the Town-hall being crowded. Mr. J. Kennett was foreman of the jury. The following evidence was taken:-

William Austen deposed: I am landlord of the "Brown Jug," at Dumpton. On last Saturday, between 3 and 4 o'clock, deceased came to my house, with his brother, and remained at the bar about an hour, insulting every one who came in. On my refusing to let them have some beer, they abused me, and threatened to strike me. Mr. Minter, sen., came in, and assisted me in putting them into the road. I afterwards saw deceased lying in the road. William Harman was nearest to him. The railway van coming past at the time, deceased was put in it.

By the jury: The deceased and his brother were drunk when they came to my house. I did not serve them with more than three pints of beer.

Mr. Thomas Minter, farmer, of Dumpton, deposed to assisting Mr. Austin in putting deceased and his brother out of doors. The witness added: As I went home I saw Harman, and told him there were two men kicking up a row. Harman threatened to get some one to lock them up; they abused him very much, and both made a rush at him, "like tigers." I heard one of them say, "Let us kill the country ---------." Harman pushed the one now alive away with his left arm. He immediately turned upon me, and when I could look round I saw the deceased lying on the ground, and Harman standing near him.

Mr. John Colmer Austin, surgeon, at Ramsgate, deposed: I was called in to see the deceased about seven o'clock yesterday morning; he was then dead. This afternoon, assisted by Dr. Curling, I made a Post Mortem examination, and on opening the head I found a fracture from the left temple bone to the base of the skull; there was also a large clot of blood upon the brain, which was sufficient to cause death, and which arose from the fall. The brain did not have the appearance of that of a drinking man; it was perfectly healthy.

Mr. William Manser, farmer, at Dumpton, deposed: About 7 o'clock on Saturday evening I was passing the "Brown Jug;" I saw two men stripped to the shirt, and my man Harman was standing ten yards from them. I went up to them and asked them to desist. They said they did not mean to go, and they wanted to kill that " -------- country-man," pointing to Harman. They both rushed at him, and began to strike about. He pushed deceased's brother away with one hand, and struck deceased with his right; deceased fell back on his head. The blow given by Harman was in my opinion given in his own defence.

Police constable Bradley proved that when he lifted up deceased's head he said, with an oath, "I have not had enough of it," and that he assisted him home. Mr. Edward Knott, a veterinary surgeon, who was passing at the time, proved that Harman used his best efforts to get deceased to go home; he also confirmed Mr. Manser's opinion that the blow was given in self-defence.

The Coroner having summed up, the jury, after a short consultation, returned a verdict, "That deceased came by his death through a fall, occasioned by one John Harman, in self-defence."

 

From the Kentish Chronicle, 7 April, 1860.

PETTY SESSIONS.—Saturday.

(Before Major-Gen, Williams.)

Henry Setterfield was charged by William Austen, with stealing, on the 30th of March, two washing shawls value 12s., his property.

William Austen deposed; I am landlord of the "Brown Jug," Dumpton, in the parish of St Peter’s. Last evening I was informed by a female, between nine and ten, that she had met a man with a washing shawl upon his head, and I went to a lodge at the back of my house to look for my washing shawls when I found they were gone. The last time I saw them was on Wednesday. I then gave information to P.C. Cullen of the loss, and went with him to look for them at a house in Portland Court, Ramsgate, where we found the shawls I had lost. The house is occupied by a man of the name of Dines, and I have heard that the prisoner lodges there. We found the shawls in a cupboard in a room which I believe the prisoner occupied. The shawls produced are my property and they are of the value of 12s. The prisoner was at my house last evening about nine o'clock, a short lime before I missed them, and he did not leave my house by the front way or I should have seen him. I had bolted the back gate about seven o’clock the same evening, and after missing the shawls I went to the gate and found it unbolted.

Hannah Strivens Bailey deposed: I am the wife of James Bailey, and live at 11 Castle Cottages, Ramsgate.

James Bailey, and I live at 11 Castle Cottages, Ramsgate. Last evening, between nine and ten o'clock, I met a man near Hollocondane Chalk Pit, with a washing shawl on his head. He had on dark trousers and a light short gabardine. I did not see his face as his head was inside the washing shawl. He was coining towards Ramsgate and I was going to Dumpton.

Richard Cullen, K.C.C., deposed: I went to the prisoner’s lodging with Mr. Austen about eleven o'clock last evening; and on searching the prisoner's room found the two washing shawls produced in the cupboard. At about half-past eleven o’clock I apprehended the prisoner at the bottom of Newcastle-hill, in King-street, and charged him with stealing two washing shawls. He said he did not know anything of it. I afterwards took him to the house in Portland Court, and asked him if the room I showed him was occupied by him, and he said it was, and also said the cupboard I found the shawls in was used by him.

Elizabeth George deposed:— I am a single woman and live in Portland Court, King-street, with my brother-in-law, John Dines. The prisoner hires the kitchen in the house, and is a lodger. I heard the prisoner come into the house last evening, about twenty minutes past nine o’clock, and I saw him about ten minutes after in the kitchen. Soon after that he went out. I was present when the police-constable searched the cupboard in the room of the prisoner, and saw him take the two washing shawls out of it. This was a little past eleven o'clock last evening.

The usual caution having been read, the prisoner was committed to Dover for trial.

 

Thanet Advertiser 06 April 1878.

FIRE AT DUMPTON.

On Tuesday afternoon a fire occurred at a cottage near the "Brown Jug" at Dumpton. The thatch caught fire from the overheating of an iron stove pipe, and was quickly in flames. Some constables of the County Constabulary happened to be near, and with the assistance of others they set to work to put out the fire and save the furniture, in the latter of which they succeeded, but the cottage was completely gutted. Messrs. J. D. Lampard and Finch, who got upon the roof to endeavour to extinguish the flames, narrowly escaped falling in with the roof, Mr. Lampard only saving himself by falling on the thatch and rolling himself off, calling on the bystanders to break his fall.

 

Thanet Advertiser, Saturday 16 May 1891.

ABDUCTION OF A BABY.

Mrs. Turtle, of Ramsgate, applied to the Board for assistance, under the following circumstances. Her husband (so she alleged) had taken away her baby as far as the "Brown Jug" public-house, where he had transferred it to a woman with whom he had become acquainted. This woman had taken the child, she understood to Brighton. Mrs. Turtle also informed the Board that her husband had left her with nine children, and she desired their advice as to how she could recover possession of the baby.

The Clerk (Mr. C. Taylor) thought Mr. Turtle had a right to take away his own child.

The Chairman said the Board could not help the applicant, who had better go to the police.

Mrs. Turtle said she had been to the magistrates, who had sent her to Mr. Thornton.

The Chairman said the Board were quite unable to help her. The law of husband and wife had become so mixed of late (laughter), that they really did not know what to advise her to do.

Applicant then withdrew.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 14 April, 1922. Price 1d.

LICENSING BUSINESS

The "Brown Jug," Dumpton, near Broadstairs, was transferred from the late Mr. A. J. Sutton to Mr. G. Watts.

 

Thanet Advertiser, Friday 9 November 1928.

Brown Jug Case. Notice of appeal.

Notice of appeal has been given by Mr. A. B. Gaffee, of the "Brown Jug Inn," Dumpton, he was fined 10 last week for selling intoxicating liquor after permitted hours.

References made to the matter at the Cinque Ports Police Court at Margate on Monday, when Mr. Alfred Winkel proprietor of the "Royal Oak Hotel," Ramsgate, became security for 50, and Mr. Gaffee was bound over in the sum of 50 to proceed with the appeal.

 

Thanet Advertiser 11 January 1929.

CONVICTION QUASHED BROWN JUG APPEAL WON.

At Dover Quarter Sessions on Monday, before the Recorder, Mr. G. Thorn Drury. K.C., Albert Benjamin Gaffee, licensee of the "Brown Jug" public-house, Dumpton, successfully appealed against a conviction at the Cinque Ports Police Court, Margate, in October, when he was fined 10 for supplying liquor during prohibited hours.

Mr. Fletcher appeared for the prosecution and Mr. Matthews for the appellant.

As reported in the Advertiser and Echo at the time of the police-court hearing, it was stated that, on 6th October, when police officers, who had been concealed in the shrubbery at the rear of the premises, entered the saloon bar at 11.30 p.m., an hour after closing time, they found the appellant and his wife behind the bar and thirteen other persons sitting round the room with glasses in front of them. The licensee stated that they were his guests.

Nine witnesses were called for the appellant to prove that they were invited by Mr. Gaffee to a party in connection with the finish of the greyhound racing season at Dumpton. Many of them received their invitations two days beforehand.

The Recorder said he could not come to the conclusion that the witnesses for the defence had come there and deliberately committed perjury, when the invitation was given beforehand. He accepted the contention put forward by the landlord, that they were there in pursuance of an invitation. Under the circumstances the appeal would be allowed, with coats.

Mr. Matthews said fines were imposed on the other people who were drinking. They were, in fact, guests and were not liable to be convicted.

The Recorder:- But they are not appellants.

 

Thanet Advertiser, Friday 21 October 1949.

An Old Inn Changes Hands.

Seventeen Years at The Brown Jug.

Brown Jug and licensee 1949

"Proprietor, Bill Hollingpworth, late of London.”

Soon those words—familiar to travellers as they cross the boundary from Ramsgate into Broadstairs—will be painted out.

For many years they have, appeared on a board outside the "Brown Jug Inn"—but on the last day of this month Bill leaves the "Brown Jug" to retire after holding licences for a quarter-of-a-century.
It is understood that Mr. Jack Gretton, formerly of the "Sanger's Hotel," Ramsgate, is applying for the licence of the "Brown Jug."

"It will be a wrench leaving this delightful little inn," Mr. Hollingsworth told a Thanet Advertiser & Echo reporter. "I have spent 17 happy years here and made crowds of friends. My regular customers have been invited to come along for a darts match—ladies versus the gents—on the eve of my departure.

But I shan’t be saying goodbye to them. My wife and I have decided to spend the rest of our days in Broadstairs."

Mr. Hollingsworth was brought up in the trade his father, Mr. Frederick Hollingsworth, was proprietor of Whitechapel's well-known Wonderland which he turned into a boxing booth.

Kept London Houses.

After assisting his father for seven years, Bill went into business on his own and took the Licence of the "Victoria Tavern," Poplar. Then he moved to the "Blue Anchor," Bow, from there to the "Victory," Daiston, and later to the "Bramley Arms," North Kensington. His health broke down 17 years ago and for that reason he came to the "Brown Jug."

In his early days he was a proficient runner and, representing such clubs as the Malden Harriers and the Essex Beagles, he won over 50 prizes. In World War I he was a lieutenant in the Essex Regiment.

Since coming to Broadstairs he has taken a live interest in local affairs and he serves on the Upton Ward committee of the Broadstairs and St. Peter’s Ratepayers and Residents Association. He is a member of the Ancient Order of Druids, the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes and the Association of Men of Kent and Kentish Men.

Trade Interests.

For many years he has served on the committee of the Isle of Thanet Licensed Retailers Protection Society and is now an auditor for the organisation. Mrs. Hollingsworth is a member of the Isle of Thanet Women's Auxiliary League of the Licensed Trade and for her past services she has now been elected an honorary member.

Among his possessions Mr. Hollingsworth has a very old oil painting of the "Brown Jug," showing a half-ruined farmhouse on the site now occupied by Dumpton Post Office. The Ramsgate-road is shown as a very narrow track overhung with trees.

Centuries old, the "Brown Jug" was at one time a cottage. In former days an Inn named the "Good Intent" stood next door. The huge "Brown Jug" over the door of the present inn was installed by Mr. Hollingsworth. Made of reinforced concrete, it weighs about 3 cwt. and has a capacity of 36 gallons.

Saloon bar of the "Brown Jug" is decorated with photographs of Mr. Hollingworth's daughter Fay, whose successful career in London shows has frequently brought her into the news. She is now in charge of the tap and ballet section of the Eustace Bowman School of Dancing. Future engagements include an appearance in cabaret at the Savoy Hotel, London, next month.

Mr. Hollingsworth's brother. Frederick, is licensee of the "Prince of Wales," Margate.

 

Thanet Times, Wednesday 5 August, 1964.

The "Brown Jug" has a homely atmosphere.

Hilda Skudder 1964

One of the few widows in Thanet ever to be granted a licence of a public house is Mrs. Hilda Scudder.

When are husband Jack died in January 1960, after 6 years as licensed of the "Cinque Ports," Margate, Mrs. Skudder persuaded her brewers to let her have the "Brown Jug" at Dumpton. And her four and a half years there have been very happy and successful.

With the aid of her two charming daughters, Jennifer and and Myrna, she has increased the popularity of this house, which dates from 1790.

The Skudder family moved to Margate in 1945 and first took the "Rodney," Garlinge, where they stayed for 9 years.

Mrs. Skudda is proud of the atmosphere of her pub. "It is the atmosphere that creates that necessary welcome," she said.

"For some, a pub is a place of entertainment. Others like a quiet chat in peaceful surroundings and a restful atmosphere. My main bar may look like a superior junk shop, but for many of my customers it is just like home, with the knick knacks and bits and pieces.

Mrs. Skudder believes that a licensee, on taking a new house, should develop it according to her own tastes - and then she gets the kind of customers she wants.

The "Brown Jug" has been a familiar Thanet landmark for 170 years, and Mrs. Skudder still get strangers coming to her and asking to see the three-legged pig which was a great attraction there about 1910.

The original earthenware jug was "won" by a celebrity celebrating Army officer before the war, but the present symbol is safe. It is made of iron and filled with cement.

 

East Kent Times and Mail, Wednesday 12 August 1970.

Mrs. Hilda Scudder of the Brown Jug pub dies at 64.

Hilda Scudder

One of Thanet's best-known licensees, Mrs. Hilda Skudder of the "Brown Jug Inn" at Dumpton, died in Margate Hospital on Friday morning.

Mrs. Scudder, the 64-year-old widow of a publican ran the quaint old pub for 10 years with the help of her daughters, Myrna and Jennie.

Born in London Mrs. Skudder moved to Thanet in 1945 with her husband and took over the "Rodney" public house at Garlinge.
Nine years later they look over the "Cinque Ports" at Margate until Mr. Skudder's death in 1959.

The funeral takes place at St. Peter’s, church, Broastairs, tomorrow afternoon.

 

Thanet Times, Tuesday 15 April 1975.

'COMPETITION FEVER' JENNIFER TAKES THE AIR...

Brown Jug battles in 'Brain of Britain'

Jennifer Scudder 1975

JENNIFER SKUDDER, one of the entrants in radio's "Brain of Britain" contest.

A BROADSTAIRS woman with "competition fever" has just achieved her ambition to take part in radio’s "Brain of Britain" competition.

She is Jennifer Skudder who, with her sister Myrna, runs the "Brown Jug" Public House at Dumpton, Broadstairs. Listeners heard her pit her wits against three other competitors and after giving a credit worthy performance to one of the country's top general knowledge shows she finished in third place.

Jennifer went to the Playhouse Theatre, London, in January for the recording but regulars at her pub had to wait for more than two months to hear the programme itself.

This was not her first venture into the realms of quiz programmes. Thanet people may remember her as a member of the highly successful Broadstairs team in the television "Beat Your Neighbour" series in the early 1980s.

She and her three team-mates on that occasion battled their way through to the finals where they were narrowly defeated by a team from Tonbridge Wells.

During the last five years Jennifer has developed into an avid competitor fiend with some remarkable results.

She recalled that it all started when she was asked to help a friend with a competition. They won a hair-dryer which he passed on to her. She then won an electric razor and they were quits.

From those days she has never looked back. She has won two televisions, two mixers, a stereo record player, a radio cassette player, a Hardy Amies suit, a couple of hampers, a holiday in Majorca, three cameras. a set of golf clubs, a fan heater to name just a few!

Sometimes she sits up until 4 a.m. in the morning filling in her entries and eventually falls asleep over the form.

Jennifer and Myrna have followed their family into the licensed trade. Their parents moved into the "Rodney" at Garlinge, in 1945 and moved to the "Cinque Ports" on Margate sea front in 1954.

After the death of their father the family moved into the "Brown Jug" in 1960 and Myrna and Jennifer took over the house as joint licensees after the death of their mother in 1970.

Jennifer is an avid reader and collector of books. The sisters have also managed to acquire several pets — two dogs, a cat and the latest addition a pony which Jennifer says she purchased the day she want to Sandwich market simply to buy some eggs.

 

Reported as being closed in January 2019 after the retirement of long term licensee.

 

From the https://theisleofthanetnews.com By Kathy Bailes, 2 October, 2019.

The historic Brown Jug pub in Broadstairs is up for sale.

Brown Jug 2019

The Brown Jug pub.

An historic pub in Broadstairs is on the market for 650,000.

The Brown Jug, in Ramsgate Road, has been an alehouse since at least 1795 when it was known as the "Queens Arms Tap House."

Its current name is listed in documents dating from 1814, when it is said to have been used as an officer’s billet.

The flint walled property, which has land at the rear, was initially a Cobbs tied house before the company was taken over by Whitbread.

One of Thanet’s longest serving landladies, Jenny Skudder, retired in January this year after some 60 years at the helm.

The pub, last owned by Thorley Taverns, is said to have once had a licensee who owned a three-legged pig, circa 1920s – a story Jenny would relay to visitors in the bar.

The tiny left bar had a panelled counter at least 70 years old, old dado panelling and a brick fireplace. The larger rear bar also took punters back in time with an old panelled counter and 1930s features.

The garden was used on a regular basis by the boules team. The site is being marketed by Miles & Barr which describes it as “ in need of refurbishment throughout.”

The cellar has three separate rooms previously used as store rooms and the beer cellar, a larger store also has access to the garden. The first floor has two bedrooms, a large living space with kitchen and bathroom alongside.

 

From the Thanet news, October 2020.

The "Brown Jug" at Dumpton Park, (now sadly closed) started life as a cottage during the reign of Charles I. It became a pub during the 18th century and was a regular hangout for smugglers plying their clandestine trade.

Brown Jug 2020

It’s said that the ghost of a woman dressed in blue haunts this quaint former inn, though who she is and why her ghost walks is unknown. A wraith-like figure is reputed to stalk the rooms and corridors of Northdown House in Cliftonville.

Caretakers have reported hearing whispering voices, loud disembodied footsteps, doors opening and closing by themselves and a general feeling of uneasiness.

During the 1980s a sceptical local journalist decided he would disprove the stories of the house’s spooky goings-on by spending the night there.

The following morning he reported an uneasy feeling of being watched. At one point he heard footsteps coming from an adjacent room.

When he investigated, not only did he find it empty but that the floor had been removed by workmen carrying out renovations.

He also heard a faint clicking sound, as if a woman was walking with stiletto heels but, again, he found nothing.

Sadly, attempts to establish the name of the journalist, the paper he worked for and his article relating to that night have, thus far, yielded nothing.

 

LICENSEE LIST

PAGE Stephen 1838+

BOOM Thomas 1841+

BOURNE Thomas 1841-45+ (age 32 in 1841Census)

BUNT John 1847-51+

AUSTEN William 1858-99+ (age 56 in 1891Census)

SANDERS James 1901-Mar/08 (age 35 in 1901Census) Kelly's 1903

SPAIN William Mar/1908-11+ (age 444 in 1911Census)

SUTTON Mr A J to Apr/1922 dec'd

WATTS Mr G Apr/1922+

GAFFEE Albert Benjamin 1928-Dec/32 Dover Express

HOLLINGSWORTH William Henry Dec/1932-Dec/49 (age 32 in 1939) Dover Express

Last pub licensee had GRETTON Jack Austin Jan/1949+

GRETTON Vera to 1958

Last pub licensee had SKUDDER Hilda 1960-70 dec'd

SKUDDER Jenny & Myrna (daughters) 1970-Jan/2019

https://pubwiki.co.uk/BrownJug.shtml

 

Kelly's 1903From the Kelly's Directory 1903

CensusCensus

Dover ExpressFrom the Dover Express

 

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