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PUB LIST PUBLIC HOUSES Paul Skelton

Earliest 1813-

Old Ark Inn

Latest 1913

Court House

Etchinghill

Ark Cottages

Above showing the Ark Cottages as they were in 2009.

Old Ark Inn, Etchinghill

Date of above photo unknown showing the "New Inn" in the distance and the "Old Ark Inn" roughly in the centre of the picture.

Location of Old Ark Inn 2009

Above photo I believe is almost the same shot, taken from Google Maps June 2009.

Old Ark Inn 2005.

Above photo showing the "New Inn" in the distance and the former premises of the "Ark Inn" centre right. 2005. Photo taken from web site:- http://www.oswild.org

 

Just south on the same side of the road as the "New Inn" are the Ark Cottages. These still retain many of their original features, but have been modernised and added to since the 16th century when numbers 1 to 3 were built (1 and 2 now form one dwelling).

The premises was at one time a slaughter house and occupied one or more of the cottages.  The name was probably derived from Noah Dent who kept a beer house in one of them, unfortunately it closed in 1913. After being referred to the Compensation Authorities the hearing refused to renew the licence.

 

NOTES ON ETCHINGHILL AUTHOR UNKNOWN

Kindly sent by local historian Barbara Collins-Newing.

The Ark beer house was probably named after the owner whose first name was Noah Dent. It was an ale and pie house as well as a slaughter house. The pub has now been turned into two cottages No.1 and 2 Ark Cottages. The original wheel for hanging the carcasses on is still in situ in No 1 Ark cottage in the roof of the dining room. I understand that the gully for taking away the blood and offal is still built into the old tiled floor beneath the present floor covering.

 

Dover Express, Friday 09 February 1906.

LYMINGE. LICENCES OBJECTED TO.

On Monday at the Elham County Police Court, the licensee of the "Ark Inn," Lyminge, was given notice by the Magistrates that the renewal of the license would be objected to. The matter will be heard on March 5th, at the adjourned Licensing Meeting.

 

From the Canterbury Journal and Farmers' Gazette, Saturday 6 October, 1906.

THE ARK INN, LYMINGE.

Mr. Hohler, instructed by Mr. Knocker, of Sevenoaks, appeared for the owner and tenants of the "Ark Inn," Lyminge, while Mr. Wilks, of Hythe, represented the licensing justices.

P.C. Kenwood stated that the "Ark Inn" was situated at Etchinghill. There were twenty houses, including farms, there and there was another fully licensed house, the "New Inn," which was about 70 yards away. The "New Inn" did most business.

Superintendent Hollands, of Seabrook, stated they were 5 licensed houses in Lyminge, which was a long straggling village. Two of the houses were at Etchinghill. He considered that only the "New Inn" was needed, which was a larger and better house than the "Ark."

Richard Henry Gray, the tenant of the "Ark Inn," stated that before he took the house he was a Sergeant in the Rifle Brigade. He took part in the South African campaign and was wounded. Of the 22 houses in the neighbourhood 19 families dealt at his house. Since he had been at the house the trade had much increased and he was quite satisfied with the living he had made.

Thomas Newton, secretary to Messrs. Bushell, Watkins, and Co., stated that during the past twelve years the house in question had done a steady trade.

William Richard Hogben, farmer, of Etchinghill, stated that in his opinion the "Ark Inn" was required because it seemed to do pretty well.

Henry Daniels, carrier, of Lyminge, also stated that he thought the "Ark Inn" was necessary for the needs of the neighbourhood.

The Committee granted the renewal of this license.

 

From the Folkestone Express, Saturday, 22 February, 1913.

ELHAM LICENSING

The adjourned Licensing Session of the Elham County Division were held on Thursday, when the question of renewing two licences, the “Black Duck,” Elham, and the “Ark Inn,” Lyminge, came before the Bench, which was prevailed over by Mr. E. Garnet Man.

The license of the “Black Duck” first came up for consideration.

The question of the renewal of the “Ark Inn,” Lyminge, was then considered. Mr. Knocker (Sevenoaks) applied on behalf of the owners (Messrs. Bushell and Watkins) and the tenant (Mr. Wyatt) for the renewal.

The Clerk said the ground of the objection against the license was that it was not required for the needs and the wants of the neighbourhood.

P.S. Martin said the house was situate at Eachend Hill, and was within seventy yards of another house, the “New Inn,” which was larger and better constructed. The “New Inn” was more convenient for vehicular traffic, and it had a tea room, smoking room and large bar. He considered that the licence of the “Ark Inn” was not required for the needs of the neighbourhood. The Union was quite close to it. The tap room was merely a passage, and there was a private room behind the bar. There was a good amount of through traffic as well as local trade in that district.

In reply to Mr. Knocker, witness said he had not heard any complaints about the management of the house, which he perfectly well conducted. The only complaint he had heard against it was that there was not a living for two houses at the spot. There were five licensed houses in the district, which he considered was well supplied.

Supt. Hollands said the population of the parish at the last census was 1,367, and as there were five other licensed houses in the district there was only one licensed house to every 293 of the population. There were about 26 private houses in the vicinity of the house. The figures he had quoted as to the population included the inmates at the workhouse. The “New Inn” was the better house and he considered it was sufficient to fulfil the requirements of the neighbourhood. The license had been transferred five times since Jan 18th, 1906.

Cross-examined, the Superintendent said he should not think that a person could make a living at the “Ark Inn.” The present tenant was warned before the licence was transferred that it would probably be referred.

Mr. Knocker said in 1905 the licence was referred to the Compensation Authority on the ground of redundancy, but they decided not to proceed with the opposition. In 1906 the Compensation Authority had the licence before them, and they renewed the licence. They had more confidence in coming before them that day than in 1906, for then the barrelage sold was 98, and during the past three years the average number of barrels sold was 120. That number of barrels represented 70,000 glasses of beer, while 4,000 glasses of spirits had been sold. The tenant could see a gross profit, without counting rent, of something like 230 a year on the trade he had done on the house. He also carried on a small grocery business, from which he made a profit of 25. It was a pity that that notice of opposition was served at the time it was for the owner of the house were considering whether they should not apply for a new licence in the village. He therefore, asked the magistrates to renew the licence for the ensuing year with the intention that their worships would expect before the next licensing meeting an application for them for the removal of that licence to a new place in the village.

The Chairman, after the justices had consulted in private, said they would agree to the matter being adjourned for six weeks, so that Mr. Knocker could place his proposals before them regarding the application for a new licence.

 

From the Folkestone Herald, Saturday, 22 February, 1913.

ELHAM LICENSING SESSIONS

BLACK DUCK AND ARK INN LICENSES

The adjourned Elham Licensing Sessions were held at Seabrook on Thursday, the Magistrates being Messrs. E. Garnet Man in the chair, F. E. Burke, A. S. Jones, R. J. Linton, Councillor H. F. Jacques, Mr. H. Rigden, and Mr. W. G. Tester.

THE ARK INN, LYMINGE

Mr. Knocker, of Dover, made formal application for the renewal of this license.

The Deputy Clerk said it was objected to on the grounds that it was not required.

P.S. Martin said there was about 26 private houses in the vicinity of the “Ark Inn” at Lyminge. The “New Inn” was about 70 yards away, and was larger and better constructed. His opinion was that the house was not required, and that the “Ark” was the least desirable of the two inns.

By Mr. Knocker: There was another house about a mile away. He thought that the “New Inn” would be sufficient to serve the district of Each End Hill. There had been no complaints about the “Ark,” but it took trade from the tramps and such people. He admitted that the house had been perfectly well conducted. There was not a living for the two houses. There were five licenses in Lyminge. The whole district there was over supplied.

Supt. Holland said the population of Lyminge was 1,467; there were five licensed houses – one to every 293 persons.

By the Bench – The population included the workhouse inmates. The license had been transferred five times during the past six years. Mr. Charles Wyatt was now there. It was a tied house, and he would think the tenant made a very poor living.

Mr. Knocker: Do you think that the tenants hearing that the house had been referred for the last few years, would get out of the place again as soon as possible?

Supt, Hollande Well, they were told of that before they took it on.

Mr. Knocker said the “Ark Inn” was referred in 1905 and again in 1906 on the grounds of redundancy, but the Compensation Authority renewed it. The population had much increased since then. In 1906 the average barrelage for three years was 98, while in 1912 the three years average barrelage was 120. This meant 70,000 half pint glasses of beer during the latter three years. The new tenant – a most worthy man would see a gross profit of 220 according to the increase on the trade since he had been in the house. There was also a trade in groceries, minerals and food. The tenant saw an increase continue, so, he had hopes of laying up for his old age. He was 63.

The Chairman: He will have his old age pension shortly.

Mr. Knocker: Not in this house, your worships; there is far too much profit. (Laughter). Continuing, he asked the Bench to adjourn the application so that they might have placed before them plans and particulars for an ordinary removal of the license from Each End Hill to Lyminge village, but he asked more particularly that they should renew the license for one year on the understanding that at the end of that time it would come before them together with a proposal for a transference to a fresh site.

The Bench acceded to the request for an adjournment, deciding to hear the application again in six weeks time.

 

From the Folkestone Herald, Saturday, 5 April, 1913.

THE LICENSE REFERRAL

AMUSING EVIDENCE. CUSTOMERS “FOLLOW THE BEER.”

An adjourned sitting of the Elham Licensing Sessions was held at Seabrook Court on Thursday, the Magistrates being Mr. F. E. Burke (in the chair), Mr. A. M. Curteis, Mr. A. S. Jones, Mr. R. J. Linton, Alderman, J. E. Quested, and Mr. W. G. Tester. The court was crowded with license holders and others.

Mr. Knocker, for the tenant, made a formal application for the renewal of the license of the “Ark Inn,” Eachend Hill, Lyminge.

Sir Montague Bradley, of Dover, opposed the application on behalf of certain residents at Lyminge, Mr. R. H. Arrowsmith (of Messrs. Kingsford, Arrowsmith, and Co., Canterbury) opposed on behalf of the other license holders in the vicinity of the proposed new site, Mr. E. W. Mellor opposed on behalf of the Commissioner of Customs and Excise, Captain W. L. Rossiter, who stated he had the signatures of about 190 residents, opposed on behalf of the Lyminge Parish Council. Mr. Ernest Smith represented the overseers. Mr. Travis (Secretary of the East Kent Temperance Federation) was present.

It will be remembered that when the case was before the court six weeks previous, the application was adjourned in order to allow of the production of plans, etc., in reference to a proposed new site in Lyminge village for the “Ark Inn.”

Mr. Chas Wyatt, the tenant, was the first witness. He said he was satisfied that he could get a good living if the Inn was removed to the proposed new site.

In reply to Sir Montague Bradley, Mr. Wyatt stated that he had only been in Lyminge four months. He expected to have more trade if the license was removed to the new site, Court House, in the village. The new site was almost 1 miles from the present site.

Sir Montague Bradley: And you expect that your present trade would follow you to the new place, which is 1 miles further?

Mr. Wyatt: No, they would not follow me. They would follow the beer. (Laughter.)

I knew that was the great attraction. Is your trade increasing?

Yes, greatly.

Your personal influence, I suppose?

May be.

Mr. Percy Potter produced the plans of alterations proposed to be made at Court House if the license of the “Ark Inn” was removed to there. The various apartments would be much more commodious than those in the existing “Ark Inn” premises.

Mr. Ernest Edmund Thomas (Ashford), an official of the S.E. and C. Railway Company, said he had known the Elham Valley district for about 25 years. There were about 10,000 in and out passengers at Lyminge station per annum. They were largely visitors in the summer months. It was within his knowledge that there was a number of enquiries at the station for refreshments, the nearest licensed house to the station at present was eight minutes' walk. He would say the number of enquiries for refreshments at the station was twelve a day in the summer, and one a day, perhaps, in the winter. Court House – the proposed new site of the “Ark Inn” – was about 130 yards from and faced the station.

Mr. Henry Thomas Smith, Acrise Court Farm, Lyminge, said he had resided at Lyminge practically all his life. Nothing was more wanted than another license in the district. His opinion was that where there was only one licensed house, there was far more intemperance than if there were two.

In answer to Sir M. Bradley, witness submitted that where he lived was 1 miles from Court House.

Sir M. Bradley: And you consider that one licensed house means more evil than two?

Mr. Smith: I do. Put all this lot (indicating the crowded court) into one house, and what would be the result? (Laughter.)

Mr. Alfred George Parker, Rhodes Farm, Lyminge, said he had known the district for about 50 years. He “must admit that he was not against the proposed new house.”

By Sir M. Bradley: Witness lived about 1 miles from the spot.

Mr. Robert Mills was of the opinion that Lyminge was fast increasing in population. The proposed new house was “sure to go.”

Mr. F. E. Newton, Secretary of Messrs. Secretary of Messrs. Bushell, Watkins, and Smith, the owners of the “Ark Inn,” said the one license at present in the village proper was surrounded by 150 unlicensed houses, whereas the two licensed houses at Eachend Hill were in amongst 34 unlicensed houses. At the existing “Ark Inn” the trade during the first three months of the present year was double that of the trade done in the first three months of last year, while the average barrelage for the past three months was 120 per annum.

Mr. Knocker addressed the Magistrates in support of the license being renewed and pointed out that his clients would prefer having the license granted for the existing site, but if the Justices were against that, then he thought they had heard ample evidence in favour of the license being removed to the village. Temperance, said Mr. Knocker, was an excellent thing – they all knew that – but the British public would have their glass of beer when they wanted it, and did not look with favour upon the prohibition tactics of America.

Sir Montague Bradley, previous to calling upon witnesses for the opposition, said he was not in that court on behalf of any temperance society; his was opposition from the citizens, who agreed that the needs of the place was already supplied by the “Coach and Horses.” He would like to point out that the application was really one for a new license.

The Rev. A. F. Rutty, Rector of Lyminge, stated that he did not think another license was needed in the village; he felt it would be very harmful.

Mr. Knocker: Do you have any need to use a public house?

The Rev. Rutty: Do you mean now, or any time in the past?

Well, I won't unveil the past. (Laughter.) But do you use the “Coach and Horses?”

I have no occasion to use the “Coach and Horses” as a place of entertainment.]

Would you suffer if it was closed?

No. But I could get my beer from Mrs. Tritton. (Laughter.)

So you are one of those favoured individuals who get their beer in bulk and drink it in detail.

Continuing, the witness said he was of the opinion that where there was a living for only one licensed victualler there was no encouragement of excessive drinking, but where there were two license holders in competition there would be that temptation.

Dr. John Wallis said it was not at any time very nice to have a public house near one's residence.

The Rev. B. Bransom (Wesleyan Minister at Lyminge) said that he felt there was no necessity for the proposed new license; the locality was most unsuitable.

In answer to Mr. Knocker, Mr. Bransom said he was a total abstainer, but through he was of the opinion that the closing of all public houses in England would be good for the nation, he would not agree to that unless it was by the express wish of the majority of the people. (Hear, hear.)

The Bench at this point intimated that they would like to retire before any other witnesses were called. The Chairman, upon their return, said the Magistrates had decided to refuse the application for a removal of the license to a new site, and had agreed to refer the existing license to the compensation authority.

 

From the Folkestone Express, 8 November 1913.

CLOSED PUBLIC HOUSES.

At a meeting of the East Kent Licensing Committee, on Tuesday, compensation was awarded to the owners and tenants of houses in the district which are to be closed as under:-

The "Ark Inn," Lyminge: tenant, Mr. Charles Wyatt; owners, Messrs Bushell, Watkins and Co., Westerham. -  Total 180; freeholder, 710; Tenant, 100.

 

Peter Moynihan tells me that number 2 Ark Cottages is now (2019) a micro-bakery Paul – known, unsurprisingly, as the Ark Bakery

 

LICENSEE LIST

DENT Noah 1845-59 dec'd

DENT Mrs Mary 1859-70 dec'd

BARHAM John 1870-78+ (also baker)

BACK Albert 1882+ Post Office Directory 1882

MOORE William 1887+

MILLS Edward 1891+ Post Office Directory 1891

SKINNER Alfred 1895+

SPRAY/GREEN William 1899-1905+ (age 70 in 1901Census) Post Office Directory 1903Kelly's 1903

GRAY Richard Henry 1906+

ADEY John 1907+

TILLEY Mrs Ellen 1909-11+

WYATT Charles 1913 Post Office Directory 1913Kelly's 1913

1915 the pub was listed as being closed.

https://pubwiki.co.uk/ArkInn.shtml

 

Post Office Directory 1882From the Post Office Directory 1882

Post Office Directory 1891From the Post Office Directory 1891

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1903

Kelly's 1903From the Kelly's Directory 1903

Post Office Directory 1913From the Post Office Directory 1913

Kelly's 1913From the Kelly's Directory 1913

 

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