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Earliest 1740-

Green Man

Latest 1965+

The Bay

(St. Margaret's-at-Cliffe)

Bowling Green, Green Man

Above photo by permission of Coastguard says "Bowling Green, "Green Man", St Margaret's Bay.

Green Man circa 1900

Green man circa 1900. The man standing in front of the window is George Cramp landlord of the pub at the time.

Green man circa 1900

Green man circa 1900.

Green Man St. Margarets Bay

Above date unknown.

Green Man date unknown

Notice the seats by the side of the road which are half boats upended.

Green Man St Margarets

Green Man St Margaret's date unknown. After 1953.

Green Man St Margarets

Green Man St Margaret's date unknown. After 1953.

Green Man interior
Green Man
Green Man interior

Above three pictures are of the Green Man St Margaret's. By kind permission of the Coastguard. Date unknown. After 1953.

 

Earliest reference found so far is in the Wingham Division Ale Licence list, which shows the "Green Man," St Margaret's at Cliffe, although I am sure they mean Bay, to be re-licensed for the sum of 8 shillings in 1740 indicating that the pub was present before 1740.

The occupant of the Green Man in 1782 was Stephen Peake although the 1740 directory spelled his name as Peke (much investigation into the Peake family by the late John Peake is deposited in St Margaret's History Society archives.)

 

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday 2 March, 1839. Price 5d.

MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCE

Considerable excitement was caused in the village of St. Margaret's at Cliff, on Saturday last, by the body of a female being washed up on shore. The attention of a person of the name of Kingsford was directed to the object from the number of sea-gulls hovering over the beach, and who on proceeding to the spot, discovered the body in question. It appeared to be that of a female between 30 and 40 years of age; in a complete state of nudity, with the exception of a pair of laced boot-shoes and white yarn stockings; from the appearance of which, there is no doubt that the deceased had moved in the most humble sphere of life. She had also on her finger, a wedding ring and guard, but no marks were discovered which might tend to identify the body. An inquest was held at the "Green Man," on Monday, before Mr. Delassaux, Coroner for the County; when the only evidence produce was that of Kingsford, who found the body, John Arnold, who assisted in removing it to a shed, and Mr. G. E. Rutley, Surgeon, of Dover, who, having viewed the body, stated that there were no external marks of violence, and that the livid appearance about the neck and breasts were, no doubt, the effect of decomposition. The Coroner ten addressed the Jury and stated, that there being no means of identifying the body, now any evidence of death having occurred through violence, the usual verdict on such occasions was, "Found dead," which was returned accordingly.

 

 

Certainly not the same building as we see today, as the original was bombed by "friendly fire" and had to be rebuilt in the 1950s and now renamed the "Coastguard."

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday, 9 July, 1937.

WINGHAM PETTY SESSIONS

The County Petty Sessions  were held at Wingham on Thursday, before Viscount Hawarden, Messrs. C. J. Burgess and W. G. Chandler, and Miss Tower.

License Transfer Refused.

Mr. N. G. Goodwin, formerly of Margate, applied for the transfer  of the licence of the "Green Man," St. Margaret's By, from Mr. J. Davis.

The Chairman said that the Magistrates felt they would have to refuse the application as the police testimonial of the applicant was not good enough.

Mr. Gerald Hardman (Deal), later in the morning, said that he hoped the magistrates would allow him to make an application, although they had already dealt with the matter. He had just been instructed on the matter, and felt that if the magistrates were to be convinced that the circumstances were such that it would be a gross hardship to refuse the application for a transfer they would not think it an improper thing to do to grant the transfer. He could only tell them that the Police did not oppose the application for the transfer, the Superintendent was not heard on the matter at all. The magistrates had before them references and a Police report which he had not seen. His instructions were that the present tenant of the "Green Man" was very ill, and the position was a very difficult one for the persons concerned. Mr. Goodwin had first class references from Messrs. Cobb, brewers, of Margate, and Messrs. Thompson, brewers, of Walmer, who were satisfied with the references he produced. He did not think those two firms of brewers were firms who would take tenants without a very careful enquiry.

Mr. Phillips, Valuer, Canterbury, said that the present tenant had to be removed to a nursing home. He had known Mr. Goodwin for about eighteen months when he (Mr. Goodwin) applied to him for a licence. The brewers said they were sorry to part with his services. Mr. Goodwin's references at Margate were satisfactory, and his application there was granted. He had been intimately associated with Mr. Goodwin for a year, and at Margate he ran his premises very well, and they were spotlessly clean.

Mr. Hardman (who had been handed the report fro the police at East Suffolk) observed that it stated that Mr. Goodwin was "a man of fairly sober habits." It also stated that he did not conduct the "Anchor" and the "Crown" Hotel too satisfactorily.

Mr. Phillips said that had he any knowledge that Mr. Goodwin was anything but sober he would not have submitted his name to the brewers. According to the references he received, Mr. Goodwin was a thoroughly honest, sober and industrious man.

Mr. Goodwin said that before coming south he held licences at Lowestoft. On two occasions he as warned for having customers on his premises after hours, but was never summoned. On one occasion it was a public house used by fisherman, and it was difficult to get them away at times, and the other was at a commercial hotel, and travellers staying there had friends in.

Mr. Hardman submitted that the Police report was only an expression of opinion, and it might be wrong.

Mr. Burgess said that it was an outstanding Police report. All Police reports he had read had been absolutely fair.

The Chairman, after the Magistrates had retired to consider the application, said that it had been decided not to grant a temporary transfer that day, but to make further enquiries from the Police first, to see what they meant. The full transfer would come before the Court at Dover next week.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 16 July, 1937.

WINGHAM PETTY SESSIONS

"Green Man," St. Margaret's.

The adjourned application for the transfer of the licence of the "Green Man," St. Margaret's, from John Davis to Gerald Nettleton Goodwin, came before the Justices for further consideration.

Mr. J. H. Mowll, appearing for the brewers, said his client had decided to go no further with that application and asked for the temporary transfer to Mr. Dredge, Manager Messrs. Thompson, Brewes. The present licensee, Mr. Davis, was very ill indeed and asked that he might be excused attendance at any further transfer there might be.

The Magistrates granted a temporary transfer of the licence to Mr. Dredge.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 26 June, 1953.

RE-BUILDING THE "GREEN MAN"

Rural Council Dislike the Design

FURTHER progress in the re-development of St. Margaret's Bay from its war and gale-damaged condition is foreshadowed by the proposal of the brewers, Messrs. Thompson and Son, Ltd., to rebuild the "Green Man."

But Dover Rural Council, whose coast protection works at the Bay have just been completed, do not like the design which the brewers have submitted.

A report before the Council at their monthly meeting recommended that, under the building by-laws, the plans submitted should have approved for five years only as the materials proposed to be used included short-lived materials.

On planning grounds, the final decision lies with the County Planning Department, and the Rural Council decided to inform that department that they object to the present design and suggest that they should be given power to approach the brewers direct with a view to obtaining a more satisfactory design.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News, Friday 5 March, 1954.

RE-BUILDING THE "GREEN MAN"

Re-building Green Man 1954

Above shows a view of the work in progress this week

 

Hopes that the "Green Man," St. Margaret's Bay, would be rebuilt and ready in time to welcome visitors by Easter received a set-back during the recent unusually cold spell when brick-laying was stopped. Despite this, work of digging foundation trenches and clearing away excessive rubble went on and Messrs. Jenners, of Dover the firm of builders who are doing the work for Messrs. Charrington's, the brewers, hope that it will not be very long after Easter before the premises are ready.

The building was transformed from a quaint 600-year-old inn to a state of chaotic rubble during the war when it was used as part of a Commando course. If, when these soldiers put their training into practice against the enemy, it was half as efficient as it was to that homely little pub at the Bay, then they more than played their part in the winning of the war.

Claims that the building is 600 years old and that the building was shattered by Commandos during the manoeuvres and not by enemy action have been backed up by discoveries made in the cellar which extends back into the face of the cliff at the rear of the building. Here we found several old coins dating back to 1378, a practice grenade, which was taken into custody by the local policeman, several rounds of both used and blank ammunition and some typical "British Tommy" phrases written on the walls.

Before the war the building had a frontage of some forty yards from which teas were served to visitors. This forefront will now be replaced by a car park for customers, with open tearooms both on a veranda in front of the building, on the ground floor, and on a specially prepared flat roof above the main building.

A lot has been done to restore as far as possible the flint facings on the wall. The builders even have hopes of retaining two drunken looking chimney stacks to gibe the premises a kind of antique look despite the fact that a lot of modern materials have had to be used.

The northern end of the building will be two-storey, with living accommodation for the licensee.

Bay windows will give diners a clear view of the Straits and, with the new sea wall and the recently-erected groynes holding back the shingle, bathing at St. Margaret's Bay should, in future, be popular.

The license of the "Green Man" has been held in abeyance for some thirteen or fourteen years and the premises' re-opening will be the first sign of permanent business returning to this once popular bay.

 

From the Dover Express and East Kent News. 26 April, 1963.

"Green Man" Raided.

A thief forced his way through the cellar flap of the Green Man public house in the Bay on Thursday night last week and stole £10 in cash. He ignored the stock.

 

 

Still the Green Man in 1965 according to Kelly's directory of 1965, this pub was later re-named the "Coastguard".

This is the closest pub to France a mere 20 miles away being situated just off the beach at St Margaret's Bay.

In was in the Bay that the Channel Tunnel Co began the first test boring in 1865. The bore discovered coal and the Channel tunnel project was pigeon-holed.

 

LICENSEE LIST

PEAKE Stephen 1740-82+ Wingham Ale Licences 1740

DREW Stephen 1858+ Melville's 1858

CRAMP George 1861-1900 Post Office Directory 1874Pikes 1889Pike 1890Piks 1891Pikes 1895Pikes 1896-7Pikes 1898Pikes 1899Pikes 1899-1900

BERRY George Henry 1900-Nov/21+ Post Office Directory 1913Post Office Directory 1914Post Office Directory 1918Dover ExpressPost Office Directory 1922

WELLARD William Alfred Nov/1921-24+ Dover ExpressPikes 1924

DAVIS Mr J 1930-Sept/37 Post Office Directory 1930Pikes 1932-33Dover Express

GRAY Mr C W Sept/1937-Mar/1939+ Post Office Directory 1938Pikes 1938-39Dover Express

COLSON Mr R H Mar/1939+ Dover Express

HAWKINS George A 1957-60 Next pub licensee had Dover Express

 

George Berry was also captain of the St, Margaret's Fire Brigade

 

Wingham Ale Licences 1740From Wingham Division Ale Licences 1740 Ref: KAO - QRLV 3/1

Melville's 1858From Melville's Directory 1858

Post Office Directory 1874From the Post Office Directory 1874

Pikes 1889From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1889

Pike 1890From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1890

Piks 1891From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1891

Pikes 1895From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1895

Pikes 1896-7From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1896-97

Pikes 1898From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1898

Pikes 1899From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1899

Pikes 1899-1900From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1899-1900

Post Office Directory 1913From the Post Office Directory 1913

Post Office Directory 1914From the Post Office Directory 1914

Post Office Directory 1918From the Post Office Directory 1918

Post Office Directory 1922From the Post Office Directory 1922

Pikes 1924From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924

Post Office Directory 1930From the Post Office Directory 1930

Pikes 1932-33From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33

Post Office Directory 1938From the Post Office Directory 1938

Pikes 1938-39From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1938-39

Dover ExpressFrom the Dover Express

 

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