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Carriers Arms circa 1987

Carriers Arms circa 1987 (Photo by Paul Skelton)

Carriers Arms

From Bob Hollingsbee MEMORIES. Thursday, September 27, 2001


DENNIS Beecham, of Elms Vale Road, Dover, was very interested in the picture of the "Carrier's Arms," in a recent memories page feature - and with good reason. His grandfather, Richard Beecham was the licensee for a number of years.

 

Richard and his wife Sarah had 13 children, and one of them, Reuben, born in 1889, was Dennis Beecham's father.

 

Sadly, when Reuben was four, his father died suddenly. A doctor was called when he was taken seriously ill and he died during an emergency operation, which, Dennis tells me, had to be carried out immediately in the public house.

 

Richard's sorrowing widow Sarah, left with young children, carried on running the Carrier's Arms for several years afterwards.

 

Dennis kindly lent me his autographed family copy of the paperback book on Dover public houses by Barry Smith, of Dover, called "By the Way - Local Observations by Rambler."

 

Now out of print, this book packs In a great deal of information about Dover's hotels and public houses in its 70 pages, but there are no illustrations.

 

Barry Smith himself also phoned me about the Memories article, as did several other people. He told me he had gathered far more information than he could ever hope to include in a book during his researches.

 

These Included hours searching through the Dover Express files of bound newspapers which extend back to 1858.

 

Barry also told me he had deposited more up to date information, extending the account up to about 1997.

 

Writing about the "Carrier's Arms" in the book Barry said although the pub was shown on local ordnance survey maps of 1871, the earliest licensee for whom he could find a reference was Richard Beecham, whose link with it dated from 1877.

 

The book solves for me the mystery of why, in the old photograph sent to me by Dave Wybom, now living in Denton, Manchester, the pub had the painted sign "Waterhouse's Carriers Arms," as shown above.

 

Public houses myth

 

Evidently it is because George Waterhouse was licensee from 1903, possibly until 1932, when a Waterhouse was still listed.

 

Incidentally, consent was given in September 1940, to close the pub for the duration of the war if necessary, but Peter Beer obviously had other ideas. He took over in 1941 and stayed until about 1956.

 

As to the thorny subject of the sheer number of public houses the town once had - in Snargate Street and Commercial Quay, old photographs show it was not unusual to find rival establishments next door to each other!

 

Writer Joe Harman, of St Radigund's Road, whose memoirs have just been published, based on a lifetime in Dover, has presented me with a photocopy of an 1870 licensing list giving a total of 270 names of public houses, hotels and other licensed premises in Dover, taking in Buckland and Charlton.

 

That is the highest number at one time that he has been able to verify. That number was soon cut considerably, as Barry writes in his book, by the 1904 Compensation Act and the Licensing Consolidation Act of 1910, as steps were taken to cut down the number.

 

By 1919 467 Kent licences were abolished, 42 of them closing in Dover between 1904-19. Reader Andrew Palmer told me of a claim of 365 pubs in Mark Smith's Dover book published by Alan Sutton some years back.

 

It seems to be one of those myths, 'propagated' over a pint or two, perhaps, and given some apparent credence by appearing in print, that will probably never be laid to rest!

 

"By the Way," intended not as a comprehensive history but "a brief history of pubs and hotels in Dover since 1970," nevertheless includes some interesting background information, including a summary of the early breweries that were set up in the town.

 

But that's another subject. Suffice to say, as Barry observes, that the town played no small part in making its contribution to the development of the Kent brewing industry, but, sadly, brewing in Dover ended in 1926.
 

 

This appears as a beer-house on ordnance maps of 1871 and it would have been one of the last in the town to relinquish that role. A wine licence was obtained by Peter Beer in 1947. Applications for a spirit licence had been refused as long ago as 1880.

 

It had closed its doors for the duration of world war two in September 1940 but it was the same Peter Beer who reopened in 1941.

 

Within five minutes walking distance were the "Eagle", "Friend in Need", "White Lion", "Dewdrop" and "Imperial Crown" so it is remarkable that the establishment kept its head above water to 1988. On 1st October that year Fremlin decided to close. Its last licensee was Brian Porter.

 

Following extensive alteration and renovation it reopened under a new sign, "The Battle of Britain", on 6 July 1991. Barry Norman and Les Holness.

 

It is now again trading under it's original name of "Carriers Arms". (2007)

 

LICENSEE LIST

BEECHAM Richard Gravett Hall 1877-93 dec'd Post Office Directory 1882Post Office Directory 1891

BEECHAM Sarah Hall 1893-1903+ Kelley's Directory 1899Post Office Directory 1903

GRANT W W Pikes 1909

WATERHOUSE George William Woodruffe 1909-32 Post Office Directory 1913Post Office Directory 1918Post Office Directory 1922Pikes 1923Pikes 1924Post Office Directory 1930Pikes 1932-33

STEWART William John 1932-38 end Post Office Directory 1938

BATTERSBY Harold Robert 1938

BEER Peter William 1941-57 Next pub licensee had Kelley's Directory 1950Kelley's Directory 1953Kelley's Directory 1956

ANDERSON J. H. 1956 ?

BRYANT 1957?

BRYANT Edith 1957?

SMITH Sidney late 1950's

BARKER George 1962-67 end

MARSH Michael 1968-72 end

WOOD Francis W. H. 1972-74

CARDNO 1978

SMITH David 1983

PORTER Brian V. 1985-88 end

 

Post Office Directory 1882From the Post Office Directory 1882

Post Office Directory 1891From the Post Office Directory 1891

Kelley's Directory 1899From the Kelley's Directory 1899

Post Office Directory 1903From the Post Office Directory 1903

Pikes 1909From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1909

Post Office Directory 1913From the Post Office Directory 1913

Post Office Directory 1918From the Post Office Directory 1918

Post Office Directory 1922From the Post Office Directory 1922

Pikes 1923From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1923

Pikes 1924From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1924

Post Office Directory 1930From the Post Office Directory 1930

Pikes 1932-33From Pikes Dover Blue Book 1932-33

Post Office Directory 1938From the Post Office Directory 1938

Kelley's Directory 1950From the Kelley's Directory 1950

Kelley's Directory 1953From the Kelley's Directory 1953

Kelley's Directory 1956From the Kelley's Directory 1956

 

If anyone should have any further information, or indeed any pictures or photographs of the above licensed premises, please email:-

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